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  •  Dunno. Keep counting Obama out like that, (2+ / 0-)
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    mmacdDE, Creosote

    but then the smoke clears and he's the one standing. I don't think he's going to cave. The senate is another story, but Obama, no, dude is consistent.

    And I am getting tired of this SS/Medicare cut bullsh*t - it's getting to be like teabag talk; it's been several years now and this impending doom has yet to happen and Obama sure ain't talking about it.

    If I knew it was going to be that kind of party, I'd have stuck my ---- in the mashed potatoes! - Paul's Boutique

    by DoctorWho on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 05:14:59 PM PDT

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    •  Senate hasn't caved yet (2+ / 0-)
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      mmacdDE, Creosote

      not one vote. I've emailed my two (D) Senators to say "Thank you, keep it up" and encourage others to do likewise.

      I don't know where Joe Biden is these days, but wouldn't be surprised if he's quietly in these negotiations and strategy meetings between Harry Reid and the Prez. I'd much rather be on the team with the three of them -- and Nancy Pelosi -- than on the other side.

    •  it hasn't happened yet because it's very hard (0+ / 0-)

      Those programs have lasted eighty and fifty years for a reason. They're well-designed, have benefits that are clear and extremely popular, and are funded in a way that makes everyone feel they have a stake in the program's success. FDR and LBJ were brilliant politicians as well as great statesmen, they knew what they were doing.

      The combined efforts of Reagan and Bush II were not enough to cut those programs. No surprise that Obama would find it rough going too.

      Obama's not explicitly talking about cutting SS/Medicare because he knows how unpopular it is. It took long enough for the Republicans to flush him out and make him write chained CPI into his budget request.

      You're saying that the fact that Obama hasn't managed a Grand Bargain is proof that he's not trying. That is some fallacious logic there. Does the fact that I have failed to make the perfect soufflé in a hundred attempts mean that I haven't actually been trying to make one?

      Obama offered the chained CPI in 2011 when he sat down with Boehner for the debt ceiling negotiations. He's offered it every time since then. In August he offered to completely restructure Medicare in an attempt to get a Grand Bargain.

      Why do you think Obama agreed not to roll back the sequester? Last winter he was running around telling us how the sequester (then known by the catchier name of "fiscal cliff") would end America. Now he just rolls over and agrees to continue the sequester instead of fighting to roll it back? Why? Because he wants the sequester cuts to put further pressure on the Dems.

      Obama will indeed be standing, at the end. Once he achieves the Grand Bargain, the 1% will deify him in a way they never did for Reagan. You and I will be in a quite different situation, but that won't matter to him. The 1% will rewrite history and hail him for undoing the New Deal, shower him with praise and money and fame. They will create the narrative, the rest of us will just have to eat dirt.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 05:37:40 PM PDT

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