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  •  Have you read 1984? (1+ / 0-)
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    jfromga

    Orwell described it as "doublethink."

    I do not believe in big government, or small government. I believe in good government.

    by xenothaulus on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:16:54 AM PDT

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    •  but that was fiction (0+ / 0-)

      no actual brain damage occurred to the characters in the novel.    These are real people and such thinking can actually be harmful.

      •  Not just fiction (2+ / 0-)
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        It was satire, and reflected Orwell's disgust and fear about the burgeoning Cold War. He believed the world was heading that direction, and frankly so do I; he just missed how many generations it would take, and got some of his philosophies mixed or mangled.

        The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink. Doublethink is basically the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.
        That sounds a lot like the current GOP, or at least its "fringe."

        I have said before: 1984 was supposed to be a cautionary tale, not a fucking instruction manual.

        I do not believe in big government, or small government. I believe in good government.

        by xenothaulus on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:40:33 AM PDT

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        •  it was a most prescient work (0+ / 0-)

          based on trends that were already existing in the real world, but nevertheless, no one actually died.
          We , too, need to understand the difference between fiction, satire, and the very different real world where real children go to bed hungry, suffer from curable diseases and potentially die,   from the brilliant but still fictional world of Orwell.  That something like that world comes ever closer to reality is sad, but the reality, even falling short is sadder than the fiction can ever be.   I don't know why people want to insist on lauding fiction instead of taking real life examples and pushing back.

          Orwell wrote a better scenario than the real world scenario,  it is more brilliant, it had a nifty catch phrase.  And so, instead of condemning the real world idiocy,  we content ourselves that Orwell wrote it better.

          I never said I was a great writer and I have never been a writer of fiction.  I am much happier dealing with the real world, confront it, push at it, shape it.  I refuse to deal in fantasy, even excellent fantasy that bears a striking resemblance to the real world, when the real world calls with problems to be solved.

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