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  •  What they don't realize (19+ / 0-)

    is if that happened, there's nothing to stop the Democrats from playing the same game.

    Don't like guns?  Don't agree to anything until they're banned.   Lie and say all of America agrees with you.

    Want abortion to be totally unrestricted?  Same playbook - just say no to all laws and governing.

    Wouldn't they scream?

    •  It's way past time for GOP to start screaming (40+ / 0-)

      We've been screaming for decades now, even while winning popular vote in 5 of last 6 national elections.  As usual, Pierce sums it up:

      This is what they came to Washington to do -- to break the government of the United States. It doesn't matter any more whether they're doing it out of pure crackpot ideology, or at the behest of the various sugar daddies that back their campaigns, or at the instigation of their party's mouthbreathing base. It may be any one of those reasons. It may be all of them. The government of the United States, in the first three words of its founding charter, belongs to all of us, and these people have broken it deliberately. The true hell of it, though, is that you could see this coming down through the years, all the way from Ronald Reagan's First Inaugural Address in which government "was" the problem, through Bill Clinton's ameliorative nonsense about the era of big government being "over," through the attempts to make a charlatan like Newt Gingrich into a scholar and an ambitious hack like Paul Ryan into a budget genius, and through all the endless attempts to find "common ground" and a "Third Way." Ultimately, as we all wrapped ourselves in good intentions, a prion disease was eating away at the country's higher functions. One of the ways you can acquire a prion disease is to eat right out of its skull the brains of an infected monkey. We are now seeing the country reeling and jabbering from the effects of the prion disease, but it was during the time of Reagan that the country ate the monkey brains.

      What is there to be done? The first and most important thing is to recognize how we came to this pass. Both sides did not do this. Both sides are not to blame. There is no compromise to be had here that will leave the current structure of the government intact. There can be no reward for this behavior. I am less sanguine than are many people that this whole thing will redound to the credit of the Democratic party. For that to happen, the country would have to make a nuanced judgment over who is to blame that, I believe, will be discouraged by the courtier press of the Beltway and that, in any case, the country has not shown itself capable of making. For that to happen, the Democratic party would have to be demonstrably ruthless enough to risk its own political standing to make the point, which the Democratic party never has shown itself capable of doing. With the vandals tucked away in safe, gerrymandered districts, and their control over state governments probably unshaken by events in Washington, there will be no great wave election that sweeps them out of power. I do not see profound political consequences for enough of them to change the character of a Congress gone delusional. The only real consequences will be felt by the millions of people affected by what this Congress has forced upon the nation, which was the whole point all along.

      I'm beyond tired of CFC's, Gangs of 6, futile attempts at Grand Bargains, and all the rest.   The main difference between today's GOP and the wonderful foks who created the Confederacy is that contemporary Goopers only talk about secession.   "Bipartisanship" gave us Justice Thomas, the Patriot Act, the IWR, an out of control NSA, and sequestration, and further attempts at it will bring us only worse.

      F*** the 3d way.  It's past time to start showing the conviction of FDR, H.S. Truman, and LBJ and to stop trying to meet crazy people halfway.  If it makes for awkward cocktail parties in DC, so be it.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 10:58:57 AM PDT

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    •  They're trying to GerryMander themselves in (26+ / 0-)


      Remember Rove's Permanant Republican Majority™?

      I agree with another poster -- they want to Rule, not Govern.

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      —Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 10:59:47 AM PDT

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    •  exactly! (19+ / 0-)

      and the President did actually allude to this in his speech today. he said he wouldn't threaten to shut down the gov't to get the things he wants ... so why do the GOP think it's an OK way to operate? it's just insanity that the mainstream media is acting like this is at all reasonable. it's not.

      if the President / Senate gives in to this political terrorism ... that's basically the end of our democracy as it's intended to work. I mean, that sounds a bit histrionic but ... yes; this same playbook could be used for all kinds of goals by any side.

      •  If they do this, what else are they willing to do? (3+ / 0-)
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        whaddaya, rbird, Creosote

        They're all in. (Poker analogy.)

        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        —Spike Milligan

        by polecat on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 12:36:44 PM PDT

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      •  Post Democracy (0+ / 0-)

        No, we are already past the end of democracy in the nation's capital as it is supposed to work.  We are in our 5th year of the cry baby of the Senate, Harry Reid, throwing temper tantrums and demanding that he get his way 100% with no input from the Republicans.

        Well, the people of the nation apparently don't like it as they returned control of the House to the Republicans.  Yet Senator Reid continues to try to operate the same way and the result is that he runs out the clock while he should be negotiating a deal with the Republicans.  This creates an artificial crisis.

        The two Parties in the Congress negotiating a deal is the way democracy is supposed to operate on the Hill.  So, that isn't working due to the Iron Fistted approach of one man.  So, on the Hill, at least, this is the end of our democracy as it is intended to work.  Now, all that is left is what you call political terrorism.  I think that is a bit harsh but clearly it is extortion that is what is left.

        Perhaps they will learn a lesson here.  And I include the President.  After his meeting with the Speaker Wednesday, he clearly hasn't learned anything yet.  What the President needs to learn is what all the other Presidents know, which is that the Speaker of the House has more power than he does.  

        •  Trying to change the deal after it's made (0+ / 0-)

          The ACA was a compromise to begin with - it wasn't what the Democrats wanted, it was what they could get the  Republicans to go along with.  Now, the Republicans want to renege on the deal they already agreed to.

          The Democrats have compromised and compromised and compromised - but that's not good enough for the extremist who have seized control of the Republican party. Their version of compromise is "you compromise by acceding to our demands, and we'll stop sabotaging the legislative process - until we have another demand".

          That's not how the process is supposed to work. Once you've negotiated a deal, you've got to stick to it, or negotiation becomes worthless - and the whole system breaks down.

    •  Not the same thing! (0+ / 0-)

      This only applies to preventing the administration from implementing laws by not funding them.  So, your example is all wrong.

    •  "What they don't realize" -- Nonsense. (0+ / 0-)

      They realize that we aren't treasonous sociopathic assholes, so wouldn't follow their tactics.

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