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  •  There is a spectrum (37+ / 0-)

    but the ones on the far libertarian end (Rand Paul is a great example) really don't want to spend government money on anything. For them, the sequester is just a small taste of what they really want to do to government. In fact, a shutdown is a good thing. They want to shut most of it down, for good. We are now seeing some pushback from people, even on the GOP side, who might have gone along with the anti-government rhetoric but when faced with its real implementation are having qualms.

    •  I disagree (16+ / 0-)

      the libertarians who seeks high office from the tea party base, who are politicians through and through, are no different than carpet baggers, they showed up for the money, its totally personal,  and they will talk big, but make sure there is enough money for them to steal in the government.

    •  The idea of the Tea Party splitting off... (17+ / 0-)

      to become a third party is attractive, but may not be reality.

      Look closely at what is happening....

      Tea Partiers ran for office because the GOP old guard was "too willing to compromise."

      Tea Partiers believe they will win if they can do a better job of selling their ideas and feel the old guard has not done that.

      Even though the Tea Party at best is a fairly small part of the current GOP, they have already demonstrated their ability to primary any "moderate" member of the party who dares to deviate from THEIR version of reality.

      That fear is, in part, why Boehner is powerless as a Speaker.  Too many from his ranks don't have the political guts to buck the Tea Party and its stance even though they see it as taking a disastrous stance.

      The bottom line is that the Tea Party believes IT is fighting the good fight.  It knows that splitting off as a third party would weaken its cause.  If the old guard wants to continue seeking compromise, given their proven track record in being able to primary from the right, they will continue to do so.

      Their goal:  Fill the GOP with as many Tea Partiers as possible believing that it will give them the power they need to take control of the party and the nation.

      Rational?  Not likely, but understandable, given their successes so far in primaries and in forcing the party's agenda.

      It may be that they need to succeed to truly wind up driving the "GOP" into years-long irrelevance.  The agenda of items they tried to tack to a recent CR and send to the Senate is essentially the Tea Party's 2016 Dream Platform.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:39:16 AM PDT

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      •  The Tea Party may not have a choice (4+ / 0-)

        the traditional GOP will simply stop supporting them in every way including financially.  If they don't go third party willingly the Trad GOP will push them to go third party.  Either that or the Trad money brokers who support the GOP will simply support enough Blue Dog Dems for eth Dem Party to regain majority thus breaking the GOP anyway.  In the minority it won't matter how many Tea Bagging nut sacks there are, so long as they only have less than 218 they can't do jack shit.

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        by DisNoir36 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:32:29 AM PDT

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        •  Where do you think.... (9+ / 0-)

          a ton of that money is coming from?

          Outside the Capitol, some of the loudest cheering for the defunding push has come from the Senate Conservatives Fund, a political action committee that DeMint founded. The group has aired anti-Obamacare ads featuring Cruz and Lee, gathered the signatures of 1.9 million Americans, and raised $1.5 million in August alone. Its executive director, Matt Hoskins, cut his political teeth as DeMint’s chief of staff.

          They’ve been joined in the battle by Heritage Action, the foundation’s sister advocacy arm, which spent $550,000 on web ads targeting 100 wobbling Republicans this summer and has threatened to include votes to keep the government open and the health care law in place on its influential scorecard. One of DeMint’s former aides, Tim Chapman, is the chief operating officer of Heritage Action.

          Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

          by dweb8231 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:55:01 AM PDT

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      •  It's like steeplejacking, where right wingers (12+ / 0-)

        Took over many Christian churches, so they could get their assets. They ran out the more liberal people who were into helping the poor, etc., and installed their callous cruel right wingers into the power structure.

        They stole everything the members had built up, and didn't pay a dime in taxes while doing it.



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        by splashy on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:00:58 AM PDT

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    •  if the Randians had their way (3+ / 0-)
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      the National Wildlife Refuges and Parks would be sold to the highest bidder, immediately. Drilling in ANWAR? you bet. Our national forests sold to clear-cut loggers? Yesterday. Repeal the Clean Air Act? of course, and the Fair Pay Act while you're at it. Oh, and don't forget the Endangered Species Act or the Federal Labor Laws.

      Every able-bodied white man for himself, and devil take the hindmost (women, kids, gays, blacks, the disabled, the poor, and the elderly first among them). That's their whole philosophy in a nutshell.

      The extremists among them won't even support the US military as presently constituted.

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      by BlackSheep1 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 12:03:30 PM PDT

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