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  •  Ok, maybe we should just get rid of all the cops (0+ / 0-)

    on the interstates... Heck, you know what you're getting into right? We're all adults.

    That's what the National Park Service does on roads like those in Death Valley. Those roads are not patrolled by the county or state troopers.

    Car breaks down in Death Valley? Tough luck... what a bummer - you knew what you were getting into afterall. Oh, and there is no cell coverage out there. Hopefully someone will come by in a week or two to retrieve your dessicated corpse.

    By your logic, we don't need cops on any roads at all. What could possibly go wrong?

    Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

    by walk2live on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:46:02 PM PDT

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    •  We don't need nearly as many (0+ / 0-)

      The cops really aren't out there to protect and serve, not anymore.  Now they're out there to hand out tickets and to bust pot smokers, to keep the prision industrial complex full.

      We don't need 80% of the cops we have, and yes, we can let people drive through Death Valley and let them assume the risk if they so choose.  No one is forced to go there.

      •  Next time you need a cop (0+ / 0-)

        and they're all busy... remember what you wrote.

        Handing out tickets is their job. I'm thrilled when I see someone get pulled-over for driving recklessly.

        Busting pot smokers is also their job... at least in 48 states. If you don't like that, lobby to change the law, don't blame cops for enforcing it. And lobbying to change the law does work - just ask the people in Washington & Colorado.

        Maybe you should get out of Chicago more. I grew up there, but moved out west when I got older. It's a wonderful city... but one thing I've realized is that most people I grew up with don't value public lands, nor have a deep understanding as to how they work. You have to drive nearly a full day from Chicago to get somewhere wild.

        There are plenty of places people can go to get their fill of self-responsibility in the Wilderness. Indeed, one of those places is Death Valley. A good friend of mine hiked the length of it through the backcountry. But, he knew what he was doing, and knew what he was getting into - he had to make a conscious effort to do what he did. He knew there was no help coming if he got hurt. However, people who drive roads into a place like Death Valley don't have that expectation... they don't have food & water they might need if they run out of gas, or the car overheats. If you want a place like Death Valley to "stay open", fine - but the roads ought to be closed. My guess is that if you want to walk into the backcountry in Death Valley, there will be nobody to stop you - have a super time.

        Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

        by walk2live on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 08:49:54 AM PDT

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        •  I do forest preserve restoration as a hobby (0+ / 0-)

          I'm actually in the Chicago burbs, so I'm close to a few forest preserves.  I go on hikes and also volunteer with the restoration groups.  We're doing great work on the prairie and oak savanna restorations.  I love public lands.

          In the dozens of times I've gone for a hike in the woods, not once have I come across a County employee.  County employees don't need to be present for people to enjoy the forest preserves.  And if the County gov't was on shutdown, there's no reason to close the preserves, not one.  My point still stands.

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