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  •  You can go anywhere you wish... (1+ / 0-)
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    Norm in Chicago

    If you want to go walking in the wilderness for a 5 months stretch, you can do that. You don't need special permission, or a permit. You don't have to tell anyone. I've done it - twice... hence my moniker - walk2live.

    The reason you can do that is because we have a huge amount of public lands in this country - owned by you and me. And with that ownership comes responsibility... Yes, it costs money to maintain access to those lands, and to protect them.

    Before I did these long hikes, I was a self-described Libertarian. But, afterwards, I came to realize the tremendous value of the commons. We have a treasure in this country in our public lands... If these lands were carved-up and owned privately, it would be a tradgedy. Entire ecosystems woudl be lost to whatever can make people a quick buck. And it really would be impossible to "go somewhere wild" - everything would be fenced-off. The wilderness experiences I had would be impossible.

    Today, I can drive down a forest road, park and camp for nothing - totally legally. Why? Because it's my land.

    So, you might say, fine... but why pay money to forest rangers, BLM land managers and the like? Because there is a ton of financial pressure on many people to break the law. Look at countries with weak protections for their public lands - illegal logging and mining is rampant. And when it's completely unregulated, it's especially destructive - pollution, poaching and other crimes come with the territory.

    With freedom comes responsibility, and it's our responsibility to take care of what we have. And that costs money.

    Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

    by walk2live on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 09:02:10 AM PDT

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    •  I still want a National Park Service (0+ / 0-)

      I want public lands, I want illegal logging and mining bans.  I want the roads and facilities maintained.  And they will be.

      My point is only valid for the duration of the gov't shutdown. The road is still there, and just because the rangers are off duty for a couple weeks doesn't mean the parks should be completely closed to the public, zero access.

      The people arguing with me in this thread disagree with you.  They want everything fenced off and for it to be  impossible to "go somewhere wild".  Via the comments I got, everyone must be babysat and they expect anyone who is more than 5 feet from a ranger will fall off a cliff or otherwise get themselves killed.  Parks must be closed while rangers are off duty in the name of public safety.

      Am I only allowed to go somewhere wild if accompanied by a ranger?  If not, why does the shutdown matter?

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