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  •  Nasty, funny, so true comic. (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for that.

    German here, too. And indeed I have a flag stored in the bottom drawer which I vowed only to unpack if our national soccer team would score world championship. (Next year next chance.) My family give me funny looks even for that.

    I really like a custom they have in Switzerland: Most cafes and restaurants serve sugar cubes, tea biscuits and such in packages printed with the coats of arms of the various cantons. So you can always wonder "Hey, what canton was this already, where is it located, and what is it known for?"

    Back to topic, one of our former presidents, Johannes Rau, put it this way: You can be glad to be (born) German, but not proud of it. People can only be proud of what they have accomplished themselves.

    You'd be amazed how many people failed to understand the distinction and badmouthed him about it.

    Oh, and happy polar night up there. ^^

    Freedom is not just a word. 'Freedom' is a noun.

    by intruder from Old Europe on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 09:47:50 PM PDT

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    •  I like that quote :) (0+ / 0-)

      Added to my "quotes list"  ;)

      Our nights aren't long yet (this close to the equinox, day length is pretty similar for everyone), but they'll get that way  ;)  I wanted to have my first good Northern Lights viewing of the season a couple days ago when the solar activity level was high, but it was all clouded over.  But it'll come.  :)

      Já þýðir já. Nei þýðir nei. Hvað er svona erfitt við það?

      by Rei on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 02:59:17 AM PDT

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      •  correction/warning: (0+ / 0-)

        That was not a literal quote, just the gist of it. Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

        Googled for the full quote and found this:

        "Man kann nicht stolz sein auf etwas, was man selber gar nicht zu Stande gebracht hat, sondern man kann froh sein oder dankbar dafür, dass man Deutscher ist. Aber stolz kann man darauf nicht sein [...]. Stolz ist man auf das, was man selber zu Wege gebracht hat."
        on wikiquote

        Nonprofessional translation:
        "One can not be proud of something that one did not accomplish by oneself, rather one may be happy and grateful for being German. But proud - one can not be of that. You are proud of what you have accomplished on your own."

        Thanks again for the comic link! I've spent more than an hour reading those. Hilarious! Grumpy Finland, drunk Denmark, psychotic Iceland ...

        @polar night not yet:
        Oh well, it will come for you, I'm sure. Have fun with the polar bears - and the penguins!

        Freedom is not just a word. 'Freedom' is a noun.

        by intruder from Old Europe on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 08:44:56 AM PDT

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    •  That's an interesting distinction. (0+ / 0-)

      I would dispute, however, that people can only be proud of what they have accomplished themselves.  You can be proud of your parents' or siblings' accomplishments, can't you?

      And then of course there is that species of pride that comes of refusing to let others tell you that you should be ashamed of what you are.  I don't think national pride fits in that category, though.

      •  To some extent? (0+ / 0-)

        If you contributed to your parents' or siblings' accomplishments, of course you can be proud of that, too.

        But what of your parents' deeds before you were even born? How can you be proud of that? They should be proud of that, and you admire them for it.

        Of course it's mostly semantics, and it's natural to want to feel proud of your parents or any group you might belong to. On a logical, abstract level though, I believe it's good to think about the distinction.

        Freedom is not just a word. 'Freedom' is a noun.

        by intruder from Old Europe on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 08:52:50 AM PDT

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