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  •  The "Owners" are not going to put up with this... (9+ / 0-)

    ...for very long. They will tolerate short disruption, but I don't think they have some consensus on a limit. A week? Two?

    Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:58:58 PM PDT

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    •  Two weeks (7+ / 0-)

      will have us up against the debt ceiling fight.

      "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat."--Will Rogers

      by vgranucci on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:02:25 PM PDT

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    •  In other times, say the 90's, I'd be inclined to (10+ / 0-)

      agree with your assessment but the Koch's and their ilk have unleashed something the didn't fully understand. For some bizarre reason I found myself re-watching the recent Batman films. The second one with the Joker has a scene where Alfred, referring to the Joker, tells Bruce "and in their desperation they turned to a man they didn't understand and couldn't control" That's what the Tea Party is like -- the Koch's and other oligarchs were so afraid of any change to the status quo they reached into their bag of racist jargon and pulled anything that had a pulse out and ran it. And now they can't control it. Some of these assclowns are in districts with numbers like R+20 and higher. They have nothing to fear from the owners and they know it.

      Spite is the ranch dressing Republicans slather on their salad of racism

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:06:30 PM PDT

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      •  the Koch brothers are in total control (4+ / 0-)
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        All they have to do is call the teabaggers into their office and say, listen, you either come to heel, or you don't get another dime from me and all my money will go to your primary opponent. That's not your Congressional seat, it's mine. I put you in it and I can take you out of it. Got it?

        That will sober up even the most deranged Republican nihilist. Crazed they may be, but they do have a sense of self-preservation.

        The Kochs are crazy too, but they don't want a default because it would be bad for business, and they won't allow a default.

        At some point they might well make a mistake and back a megalomaniacal demagogue they can't control (probably for president). But we don't yet appear to have a budding Hitler among the teabagger ranks, just pliable corporate dupes.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:29:31 PM PDT

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        •  I hope you're right, I really do (2+ / 0-)
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          But I'm not so sure. There are some seriously unhinged whack-a-doodles in this Congress and I really don't think they care about re-election as much as they care about being seen as the second coming of Ronald Reagan.

          Spite is the ranch dressing Republicans slather on their salad of racism

          by ontheleftcoast on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:39:48 PM PDT

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        •  The Kochroaches are evil; they don't care (3+ / 0-)
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          nosotros no somos estúpidos

          by a2nite on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 04:03:07 PM PDT

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        •  I'd like to hope you're right (2+ / 0-)
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          But I'd like to remind you that the sequester was designed to be so god awful even the republicans would never allow that to happen.  Many of the GOP liars also said, "shutting down the government isn't something anyone wants to do."
          Now we have Teajadiis running around telling everyone that defaulting on the debt won't be so bad.  
          Anyone that thinks the GOP wouldn't gleefully default on our debt is not at all familiar with today's GOP. Those people are dangerous, ignorant extremists that really aren't so very different from other enemies of America in their overt desire to harm the country. They will blow up the country if their demands are not met. Just like other extremists.

          +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

          by cybersaur on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 04:05:22 PM PDT

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      •  check out this: (1+ / 0-)
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        Koch's daddy co-founded Birch Society so it would not surprise me if these 2 brothers' ultimate goal is the complete transformation of the form of government we have and the chaos that is currently being created is necessary to spur such radical changes

    •  in 2011, they went right up until a couple days (1+ / 0-)
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      before the debt limit deadline before announcing their "compromise." They're going to go right up to the brink again, just to scare the shit out of everyone and give the Dems a plausible excuse to back down. An effective threat has to be credible and to be credible, they have to go as far as they can without actually going over the edge.

      Two weeks of Wall Street flacks screaming about the perils of default isn't going to bother the Republicans one bit, but it will soften up the Democrats and allow them to justify their gutlessness by saying "We caved for the good of the country and the world!"

      The Democrats are going to give in to the terrorists, all right. They're going to negotiate and then say that because they didn't agree to cut the ACA, that they didn't really negotiate at all.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:19:58 PM PDT

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    •  There seems to be radical and conservative owners (3+ / 0-)
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      One group wants it all and wants it now -- perhaps wanting to move now that the peons know about what the NSA has been up to, perhaps feeling that everything is in place to secure their interests from any upstart populism.  And one group wants to play it cool and incrementally roll out their plans so people won't notice their shackles once they're locked on.

      Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

      by The Dead Man on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 03:26:14 PM PDT

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    •  Oct 17 is the litmus test (1+ / 0-)
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      the TP is betting on blocking raising the debt ceiling so the US defaults on its obligations.  While they are dancing in the streets, if this happens, look for some sort of drastic action by the administration to rein in this 20 or 30 hard core TPers who have seemingly hijacked the GOP (actually this is part of a plan by the GOP to crash the government.  Look up the Williamsburg Accords the Kochs and others have dreamed up for the country

      •  I think it's going to be sooner than the 17th (0+ / 0-)

        It's not like this shutdown is "saving" any money. I'm guessing we've "lost" a couple of days at least.

        Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

        by Egalitare on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 01:22:32 AM PDT

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