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  •  Possibility?? (6+ / 0-)

    Maybe Boner (and his buddies) have found themselves in an impossible position, on the losing end of this preposterous shutdown strategy, and the only way out is to pursue the grand bargain to bail themselves out of this total disaster.

    Desperation move?

    I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

    by beemerr90s on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:20:15 PM PDT

    •  All they have to do is pass a clean (5+ / 0-)

      budget bill and its over.  Why pass something the hate more to avoid passing something they hate less?

      So, by this logic, they will wiggle out of not getting Obamacare repealed by...not getting Obamacare passed AND raising taxes on the wealthiest americans.  Don't see that as a particularly strong 'out'.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:25:14 PM PDT

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      •  I think passing the bill (2+ / 0-)
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        will be considered a clear and unequivocal loss.  

        He can pretend that the grand bargain was more like a draw and claim responsibility for saving the day.  Hey, it doesn't make any less sense than what they have done up to this point...

        I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

        by beemerr90s on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:46:10 PM PDT

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        •  The tea partiers already (7+ / 0-)

          rejected the grand bargain as being a shit sandwich.  Why would they prefer to not get obamacara repealed and eat a shit sandwich to only failing to get Obamacare repealed?  This makes no sense.  Why eat a shit sandwich when they don't have to?

          "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

          by Empty Vessel on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:49:28 PM PDT

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          •  I am not saying that this is what (3+ / 0-)

            the tea partiers want.

            I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

            by beemerr90s on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:04:11 PM PDT

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            •  You may be right beemer. (1+ / 0-)
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              There is a possibility that what the Teas actually want is in fact both the shutdown and the debt ceiling debacle, with all the pain being only what the public is entitled to for allowing the welfare state to arise. They have in fact been planning this for a year.

               And the fact remains that once the debt ceiling bomb has gone off, they have, as with so many other things, no plan B to put it back in the can, since a second round of financial raters downgrading the USA because of the irrationality of Republicans as a stated reason, is more than just a little probable. Just as they keep promising to replace ACA with a more rational plan, which after three years they still don't have one of.

          •  Yes, it's bad thinking. That doesn't mean... (0+ / 0-)

            that it isn't Boehner's thought process.

            I think beermerr90s is exactly right that the turn to a Grand Bargain is Boehner's attempt to find an escape hatch late in the game, and you are right that it is a terrible strategy that won't work for him.

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 09:00:01 PM PDT

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    •  I think its a desperation move (6+ / 0-)

      on Boehner's part. He's getting hammered. I hope and pray Obama stays strong. He can win this.

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