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  •  Don't know how much of a connection there is (4+ / 0-)

    between the extinction rate and the presence of "patriarchy" in hunter-gatherer societies characterized by a significantly smaller human population density than what exists today.

    The spread of (patriarchal) agricultural empires represents a big change in human social form -- conquest and domestication became important at that point.

    "Coal is a rock in the ground. Only under definite historical relations did coal become fossil fuel." --Jason W. Moore

    by Cassiodorus on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 09:35:00 AM PDT

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    •  i agree (1+ / 0-)
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      we may have taken a fatal turn with agriculturally based civilizations with hierarchy and dense population growth.

      but it may be that agriculture developed in a particular way under patriarchy.

      •  I think it's the empire thing that changed it. (2+ / 0-)
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        Didn't the Sumerians have city-states?  At any rate, there was a rather significant environmental change in Europe and Africa with the expansion of the Roman Empire (for instance) -- forests were cut to make way for farmland and species went out of business.

        "Coal is a rock in the ground. Only under definite historical relations did coal become fossil fuel." --Jason W. Moore

        by Cassiodorus on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 05:06:47 PM PDT

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    •  One great mass extinction (0+ / 0-)

      the Pleistocene overkill, happened during a pre-agricultural phase of human development.  It's strictly my opinion, but I suspect the deep ecological consciousness of Native Americans had its roots in figuring out that they themselves were responsible for the overkill, and a social vow and transgenerational undertaking never to allow such a thing to happen again.

      Clap On, Clap Off, The Clapper!

      by ActivistGuy on Sat Oct 05, 2013 at 05:26:25 PM PDT

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