Skip to main content

View Diary: Shots fired at US Capitol (423 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  At the moment, suspect is believed to be a woman (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Buckeye Nut Schell

    And there aren't all that many women in love with the Tea Party.

    Please let the facts emerge before reaching judgment.

    •  Huh ? (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      collardgreens, grover

      Plenty of T.E.A.=Terrorist Economic Agenda Party women such as Bachmann and also Palin. Also.

      I'll also never forget that older women screaming at the top of her lungs at a T.E.A.=Terrorist Economic Agenda Party town hall meeting about "Keep government out of my Medicare!!!"

      'Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive' - VP Joe Biden

      by RobertInWisconsin on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 12:31:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Now it is said the suspect was African American (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Pi Li

        ...and had a small child. Who may have been African American.

        I keep wondering when people are going to start recognizing that they held a stereotype in their heads and did not let the facts get in the way.

      •  And now it is abundantly clear that the suspect... (0+ / 0-)

        ...was not a Tea Party activist, that she didn't have a gun, that she was mentally distraught and not politically motivated.

        Any thoughts about why it's a good idea to wait to reach conclusions before assuming that every act is a political one?  Or are you going to learn nothing from this?  

    •  I won't speculate on (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      AmazingBlaise, collardgreens

      who the woman who went postal today was or her agenda.

      But there are gobs of women who LOVE to drink the koolaid the tea party serves.

      Those are the ones who long for the "good ole days" when they could stay home and bake cookies and darn their hubby's socks, while their dear husband ventured out into the concrete jungle to support the family.

      They believe if women would just be more obedient, god fearing and stop listening to that evil Planned Parenthood everything will be just peachy.

      There are too many of them, and they make me sick.

      •  Women who long for the good old days... (0+ / 0-)

        ...one can generally assume do not long for high speed car chases and confrontations with the law. With their child in the car.

        What you have presented is a stereotype, one that may actually describe some people, but is not helpful for understanding the present situation.

        •  Guess you missed the first part (0+ / 0-)

          of my reply where I said:

          I won't speculate on who the woman who went postal today was or her agenda.
          I was not, commenting on what was happening or what the woman's motives were, but simply on the comment that there were not alot of women in the tea party.

          It's way to early to know why this woman decided it would be a good idea to ram the barriers.  

          •  See my response to grover below (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't at all miss what you said.

            Reasoning from incomplete information is an art. As I posted to grover, interest by women in the Tea Party has plummeted. A few years ago, it is believed they were a majority of the Tea Party. That has reversed. So, if all the information one has about a confrontation is that the suspect is a woman, the odds are that that person is not a member of the Tea Party.

            If you will re-read what you wrote, I think you will recognize that it deals with a "a stereotype, one that may actually describe some people, but is not helpful for understanding the present situation."

    •  Sorry. (0+ / 0-)

      But this is just wrong.

      And there aren't all that many women in love with the Tea Party
      I don't know if you're not paying attention (hint: look at photos of TeaParty rallies), if you don't mix with people other than liberals or if you just have quaint ideas about women and how "sensible" we all are, but I think you're just wrong.

      Many of the most rabid Tea Party "kill the government" types I know are middle age and senior citizen white women. They have theirs, and they don't want anyone else to get near it. Cut taxes, cut social program, cut education. Their kids go to private schools. They believe they're insulated against losing their jobs, retirements, health insurance and homes.

      Lovely ladies, good moms and wives, until you get them on the topic of government, taxes and social programs. Then they're just as cold blooded as Rand Paul.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 05:11:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  If you would look it up, you'd learn something (0+ / 0-)

        Unsourced assertions are vapid and valueless. Here is a poll:

        Women in particular have lost curiosity and become more negative about the movement. In 2010, just under half of men and women alike said they were interested in learning about the tea party. Men are similarly inclined now, but the percentage of women who say they’d like to hear more has dropped significantly.

        There’s also been a sharp increase among both independent and Republican women in the percentages saying that the more they hear about the tea party the less they like it. In 2010, a plurality of independent women said they liked the movement increasingly as they learned more; today, they say they like it less by 2 to 1.

        Early on, in 2010, women were said to comprise 55% of the movement. Wikipedia says that is down to 39%. That pretty well matches what the ABC-WaPo poll says about the general population.

        So, I guess my "just plain wrong" beliefs are just plain right.

        •  "Aren't that many women" and 39% (0+ / 0-)

          Are not the same thing to me.

          Thirty-nine percent is still quite a lot of women. For example, I'd LOVE for women to hold 39% of the seats in Congress. It would be extraordinary if 39% of the Fortune 500 CEOs were women.  Heck, if Augusta had 39% women members, I'd right away.

          You said there aren't that many women. I didn't say there was a majority or even 40%. My "unsourced assertions" are based on my experience, which good golly, maybe you don't respect my little lady experience interacting with other actual real women but it's real.

          And neither  WaPo nor polls are ever wrong, are they?

          Whatever.

          This has been most enlightening.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 11:29:59 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Disdain for unfounded assertions is gender neutral (0+ / 0-)

            Grover, bringing in gender to a debate like this is really a pathetic move.

            All of us have experiences. I have my own experience with the Tea Party. But I would never dream of trying to convince you that my experience was more representative than yours without supplying some sort of actual, testable data.

            I provided a neutral basis for my opinion, namely three links that suggest that interest by women in the Tea Party, while initially strong, has been rapidly declining to the point that women are a distinct minority of the Tea Party.  If you don't trust the ABC-Washington Post, you're welcome to find neutral data that contradicts that.

            But to dismiss actual data with an assertion based entirely on information that I can't see and challenge expresses contempt for my intelligence.

            Meanwhile, my main point that the information we had on the person who tried to run the barricade at the White House pointed away from the perpetrator being a member of the Tea Party and could easily be an Obama supporter proved to be accurate.

            I realize you didn't weigh in on that particular point, but if you were to recognize that my reasoning was correct, it might redeem you a bit.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site