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  •  Your updated headline is bullshit. (9+ / 0-)

    I'm sorry. A lot of things can happen when you're mentally ill, and you're more likely to be the victim of violence, than the perpetrator. But if you take a car and try to run people down, while you have your 1 year old in the car, you don't get a pass.

    She was killed because she wouldn't stop and she charged or rammed police officers multiple times outside the Nations' Capitol. You get shot when you do that stuff.

    I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

    by second gen on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 03:21:55 PM PDT

    •  Yes, we always wish there could be a happy ending (6+ / 0-)

      But people have to understand that when responding to a situation like that they don't have the luxury of assuming she's just probably just mentally ill and doesn't really want to hurt anyone.  If she had driven off and mowed down 10 tourists,  even if unintentionally, her mental illness would be cold comfort.

      It's a sad ending but I don't fault these police/secret service.

      •  assuming the worst (0+ / 0-)

        There was no way for law enforcement to establish that the driver was not a deranged car bomber looking to get the vehicle close to a suitable target until they were able to open the trunk and search the car. They unfortunately weren't able to do that until the driver was dead. She resisted arrest multiple times.

        The reckless driving was a hazard to a handful of law enforcement and innocent pedestrians. The threat that DC law enforcement has to assume is that someone is trying to make a statement by killing dozens or hundreds.

        You know, if a pilot flies an airplane anywhere within 35 miles of DC without proper credentials and refuses to stop, they can expect to be shot down. It doesn't matter if he's flying straight and level from Pennsylvania to North Carolina at 10,000 feet. But then again, people with a history of mental illness generally don't get to fly airplanes.

        "They let 'em vote, smoke, and drive -- even put 'em in pants! So what do you get? A -- a Democrat for President!" ~ Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!

        by craiger on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 06:03:03 PM PDT

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    •  No, you don't get a pass and she didn't (1+ / 0-)
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      She is dead.

      Perhaps we could have more help for this country's mentally ill?  I think Obamacare will make that possible.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 03:33:07 PM PDT

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      •  Then why this breathless diary, as if she (4+ / 0-)

        were murdered? I've been treated for mental illness for more than a decade. If I took my child and rammed the barricades around the WH, I'd be dead too.

        And you can't always blame lack of care. James Holmes had mental health care. He still shot up a theater. You can't predict every incident, and put in preventions for every incident. Humans are fallible. They do stupid shit that gets them killed.

        I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

        by second gen on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 03:58:35 PM PDT

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        •  It was a question (0+ / 0-)

          and a possibly.

          Until evidence emerges otherwise, I think it is a reasonable question.

          Not all mental illness, as you know, manifests in the same way.

          Perhaps a better question would be

          What was she doing in DC?

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 04:16:02 PM PDT

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      •  One difficulty in providing more help (1+ / 0-)
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        is that mental illness can make its sufferers unwilling to accept help.  

        Another difficulty is that the help itself isn't always very effective.  With each year, we get better treatments, but even the best aren't without unwanted side effects and none of them administer themselves to patients who reject them.

        "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

        by KateCrashes on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 04:37:12 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, (6+ / 0-)

      I think that's a bit of unfortunate revisionist history. The fact that she may be mentally ill doesn't mitigate the danger she presented. In fact, it may exacerbate it as it may be harder to predict what she'll do.

      It's sad. It appears a child has lost his/her mother (I haven't paid attention to the gender of the child) and she was someone's child, girlfriend/wife, friend, etc., but the fact of the matter is she was dangerous to life and limb of those in her immediate vicinity. Police can't just let her continue on a rampage in the interest of assessing her mental state.

    •  Not to mention the whole (3+ / 0-)
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      acting in a threatening manner around the home of the President at a time when crackpots are escalating their hate.

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