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  •  I think Reid likes it when people (9+ / 0-)

    underestimate him.  He's so quiet and soft spoken, he seems like someone's grandpa - but tick him off and he tears your throat out.  

    •  LBJ would tear peoples' throats out (4+ / 0-)

      He passed 2 landmark civil rights bills, Medicare, and a whole host of other key legislation.  This party desperately needs someone like that today in a position of authority.

      Every hockey team needs an enforcer.  It needs scorers, passers, checkers, and a goalie, too, but the the skill players will get ruthlessly pushed around if there's no enforcer.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:42:40 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, but remember that LBJ had a filibuster-proof (9+ / 0-)

        Democratic majority in the Senate, and there were a number of liberal and moderate Republicans willing to cross the aisle to vote with him, and to replace the votes of Dixiecrats on civil rights laws.

        What made LBJ's victories possible was his landslide victory. He couldn't have done what he did with the Senate Obama had in 2009: 60 "Dems" (including Ben Nelson, ugh, plus Lieberman. With an LBJ-sized majority, there would have been a public option or maybe even Medicare for all.

        •  LBJ had to fight a DEM filibuster led by his close (12+ / 0-)

          personal friend, Richard Russell of GA, in order to get public accomodations and voting rights passed.  The former bill faced a real filibuster (not the BS that the GOP is allowed to get away w/ now) for 54 days, and it took 67 votes to break it.  It was the first civil rights filibuster ever broken, and it was only the second successful cloture vote of any kind in 37 years.

          The 1964 Act passed before LBJ's re-election.   I don't have time now to set forth my viewpoints on what could've been attempted in 2009-10, but I wanted to set LBJ's historical record straight.

          Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

          by RFK Lives on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 01:11:32 PM PDT

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          •  But Medicare/Medicaid and everything else (0+ / 0-)

            came after the election. And he had Republican support on Civil Rights.

            •  agree...and some of yesterday's Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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              were so moderate and even liberal that they'd be Dems today.

              •  It is difficult to imagine that Jackie Robinson (1+ / 0-)
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                was a Rockefeller Republican and a Nixon supporter in 1960, when Republicans still had a slightly better record on civil rights than Democrats. The 1964 Republican Convention was where the Southern Strategy began to take shape, before Harry Dent and Lee Atwater formalized it under the principle that it was OK to vote against your own economic interests, "as long as Blacks got hurt worse than Whites". Robinson attended the 1960 and 1964 Conventions, and was appalled at the change. He said that he had never seen such hatred directed at a White man (LBJ), and that he felt that he began to understand how Jews felt in Hitler's Germany.

                Full Godwin, in 1964.

                Republicans gradually got racist Southern Democrats and northern Reagan Democrats to switch parties somewhat faster than the country as a whole evolved away from racism, bigotry, misogyny, and so on, but now there is nobody left to convert, minorities are on the way to becoming the new majority, and the young are falling away from the old hatreds by the millions. It is no wonder that the crazies are becoming louder and nastier in their shrieking denial.

                Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

                by Mokurai on Sat Oct 05, 2013 at 05:18:56 AM PDT

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        •  LBJ also knew every skeleton in everyone's (5+ / 0-)

          closet, and threatened to reveal them.  

          He carried a big stick and used it if a mere threat didn't work.

          In the time it took Adam Lanza to reload, eleven children escaped. What if...

          by Sixty Something on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 06:36:01 PM PDT

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          •  TODAYS liberals would whine and snivel (1+ / 0-)
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            over LBJs arm-twisting tactics that got things done.

            What passes for a Left today isn't fit to shine the shoes of the Left that forced FDR to push through a New Deal and some subsequent policies that fostered  the American Middle Class we are all here a product of.

            Here we are, more than an eighth into the 21st Century,  and we are reduced to having to defend the very Common Good itself as a basic concept.  As though the 20th Century has to be re-fought and Democracy itself be re-invented?

            don't always believe what you think

            by claude on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 07:57:08 PM PDT

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            •  Of course we are (1+ / 0-)
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              We are still fighting the 18th and 19th centuries as well, specifically the original Bill of Rights and the Reconstruction amendments. Some of the time, we are refighting Magna Carta (habeas corpus, jury trials). We are refighting Athenian democracy. We have not yet beat our swords into plowshares, nor our spears into pruning hooks. You have heard it.

              Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
              Although this is often attributed to Thomas Jefferson, he apparently did not say it. It seems to come from this speech.
              John Philpot Curran in a speech upon the Right of Election in 1790 (published in a book titled Speeches on the late very interesting State trials in 1808). He said:
              "It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."
              Many others have repeated it, including Andrew Jackson and Abolitionist Wendell Phillips.
              The final chapter of Ida B. Wells' autobiography, Crusade for Justice (University of Chicago Press 1970), begins, "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." She goes on to argue that although the United States does have some "wonderful institutions" to protect our liberty, we have grown complacent and need to be "alert as the watchman on the wall."

              Ida B. Wells (1862-1931) crusaded against the oppression of African American for all of her adult life. She's is best known for her work against the growing lynchings of African American in the 1890s. See Southern Horrors and A Red Record, her pamphlets which detail her efforts to show that these lynchings were a means of terror to oppressed African Americans.

              Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

              by Mokurai on Sat Oct 05, 2013 at 05:32:58 AM PDT

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      •  Hmm... (1+ / 0-)
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        Matt Cooke, John Boner... I can see that.  I'm having a problem picturing Harry Reid as the Kevin Westgarth type though.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 01:42:09 PM PDT

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