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  •  They aren't on the ropes. (11+ / 0-)

    We are. The President cannot end this. Only they can end this and they have NO intention of doing so.  Let me be clear:

    1. They won't lose any elections over this. Gerrymandering prevents this.

    2. This is not an error on their part -- it is a desired result, namely, the end of government.

    3. They aren't going to fund government other than in a piecemeal way -- something I call a reverse line item veto where items are restored that are politically touchy (National Parks, military etc).

    4. Liberal scorn will NOT make them reopen government.

    5. Obama hasn't delivered any kind of "slamdown" or done anything else to budge these people.

    6. It is not just the tea party faction, or Ted Cruz. ALL HOUSE REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THIS.

    7. It isn't over.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Sat Oct 05, 2013 at 10:46:46 AM PDT

    •  agree, it's not over, & we give them nothing. (6+ / 0-)

      not today, not tomorrow, not next week, not next month.   nothing.

      "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

      by kj in missouri on Sat Oct 05, 2013 at 11:18:52 AM PDT

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    •  It's fitting that this country was created by (1+ / 0-)
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      Evil white supremacists& it will be destroyed by the same people.


      nosotros no somos estúpidos

      by a2nite on Sat Oct 05, 2013 at 11:23:39 AM PDT

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      •  Hark, hark, the Snark (1+ / 0-)
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        Jefferson, Madison, Lee, et al weren't EVIL white supremacists ... they were NOBLE white supremacists -- at least they were innocent, culturally pre-determined "just don't know any better" white supremacists.

        As of 1789  White Male supremacy was one of the MORE  Self Evident Truths -- perhaps the only  one which Tories and Patriots  (except for a handful of Quakers and austere Congregationalists)  more or less agreed.

        It's not until the 1890s that any significant number of public intellectuals began  suggesting the women should vote, or that (the real life) Frederick Douglas might be the social, political or intellectual equal of (the ficitonal) "Pap Finn".

    •  Disagree (13+ / 0-)

      1. They will lose elections. They wont lose every seat but we need only 20 seats. If we get to D+10 which is highly possible then they are toast. Most of their gerrymandering is D+7. D+10 is a wave election. If a wave happens there will be lot of causalities.

      2. Even the most libertarian idiot in congress knows that we need government. We shut down only a small part of the federal government. They did not expect Dems to show some spine. Thats why they are in this mess.

      3. There is no way a piecemeal approach is agreed to by the Dems. Repubs did their best gambit with photo-op with cancer children and failed.

      4. They can have liberal scorn but now the public is having conservative scorn.

      5. Showing some spine by senate, house and president itself is an achievement when you look at past record. So we did achieve something that is to keep our flock together which in itself is a miracle.

      6. Yes all of them voted for it and gifted us nice ads for not only next  house elections but against every one who is going to contest Senate and some dangerous presidential candidates.

      7. Its not over. But it is never over. The good always has to keep fighting the bad. That is the nature of this world.

      •  It all goes to number 1. (2+ / 0-)
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        a2nite, mightymouse

        There is no huge popular uprising against the Republicans here and certainly not enough to swing an off year election, when their voters tend to come out and ours do not, especially in hugely gerrymandered districts. There is no objective data in these districts to indicate a change of heart on the part of the voters.

        The Dems will agree to a piecemeal approach or face a permanent shutdown of government. These people aren't kidding.

        If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

        by Bensdad on Sat Oct 05, 2013 at 02:00:11 PM PDT

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      •  Re #3 400K DoD workers going back to work (0+ / 0-)

        Democrats gave up the store on Defense and now, now they are holding the line on funding NIH.  Whoa! I am so not impressed with their toughness on the cancer research while they just can't do enough funding of war.

    •  I was going to disagree until I heard that 400K (3+ / 0-)
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      DoD workers are in the pre-cave on military funding.  Seems to me the Republicans have little to lose at this point.  If Democrats were going to be tough it had to be on Defense and instead they gave away the store in advance.  

      So I am no longer buying the theater of phony toughness.  I mean what is our side getting out of this?  Seems to me the theater is just obscuring what we've given up on the CR with more compromises to come.  

      Don't watch what they say, watch what they DO.

      •  We got the "Ryan Budget" (0+ / 0-)

        The Dems offer pretty much amounts to it, and we sit distracted by all this extraneous nonsense.

        The only thing that "saves us" from that disastrous budget giveaway - is that the Teapots are too dumb to recognize how much they've "won" already.

        “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire

        by RUNDOWN on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 02:01:48 AM PDT

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