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    •  Exactly. (13+ / 0-)

      Single Payer wasn't killed just by the Republicans.  It was murdered by the Democrats before it was even born in an effort to appear "reasonable" and open to negotiating.

      •  I don't see us truly getting there in one leap (5+ / 0-)

        But we were >< that close to getting the first foot on the road toward it.

        "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

        by JesseCW on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:29:34 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, but... (0+ / 0-)

        There's no point re-fighting that battle.  The fact is that the political support for single payer just wasn't there.   It never would have flown.   Maybe someday.  

        •  The support for a Public Option was there. (2+ / 0-)
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          55-70% support depending on how the question was phrased.  This was even after unknown millions were spent to trash the idea.

          What we didn't have were politicians willing to fight for it.

          We're not going to get to compulsory single payer in the US, except for maybe a handful of states, any time soon.  People want the "choice".  Even Medicare Part B (the part that pays for most medical care, other than drugs or hospitalization) is voluntary.

          Single payer is best, but Americans aren't sold on it yet.

          What they are sold on, completely sold on, is Government providing an alternative service.

          "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

          by JesseCW on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:02:25 AM PDT

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          •  All they had to do was expand Medicare for (1+ / 0-)
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            all ages. We could all pay for it with payroll deductions, just like most of us do with insurance through our employer. The infrastructure is already there.

            "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.” --Lord Vetinari

            by voracious on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:43:05 AM PDT

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            •  People won't go for it unless it's (0+ / 0-)

              optional.

              As long as they can pick some overpriced  private policy if they want to, they'll love it, and 80%+ will pick it.

              "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

              by JesseCW on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:48:25 AM PDT

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              •  The people I know don't want private, they want (0+ / 0-)

                nothing because they don't have to use it. Of course these are the samepeople who come to work sick and spread it around.

                "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.” --Lord Vetinari

                by voracious on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:52:30 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, but but.... (1+ / 0-)
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          You don't get to something without fighting for it.
          The President went to great lengths to state he open to any and all ideas.
          Except, of course, single payer.

          A missed opportunity to move the Overton Window, and perhaps the most telling indicator of the extent of corporate power over Washington. Billy Tauzin and Karen Ignagni sat on one side of the velvet rope, Dr. Quentin Young on the other.

          All the electeds said ACA was the first step.
          It's time for step 2.

    •  Baucus credited health insurance exec for writing (15+ / 0-)

      the bill:

      Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, there are a flood of emotions going through all of us today as we pass this reconciliation bill which improves upon the bill the President signed 2 days ago. I would like to focus only on one part–a very important part but only one part–and that is to thank the people who have worked so hard, especially in this body, to help accomplish this result.

      [...]

      We all want to thank so many people. Once we start mentioning a couple or three names, we run the danger of offending people whose names are not mentioned. We all know that. There will be an appropriate time for us to make all the thanks, and I will make mine so sincerely because I am so grateful for all the hard work my staff has put into this.

      I wish to single out one person, and that one person is sitting next to me. Her name is Liz Fowler. Liz Fowler is my chief health counsel. Liz Fowler has put my health care team together. Liz Fowler worked for me many years ago, left for the private sector, and then came back when she realized she could be there at the creation of health care reform because she wanted that to be, in a certain sense, her profession lifetime goal. She put together the White Paper last November–2008–the 87-page document which became the basis, the foundation, the blueprint from which almost all health care measures in all bills on both sides of the aisle came. She is an amazing person. She is a lawyer; she is a Ph.D. She is just so decent. She is always smiling, she is always working, always available to help any Senator, any staff. I thank Liz from the bottom of my heart. In many ways, she typifies, she represents all of the people who have worked so hard to make this bill such a great accomplishment.

      Ms. Fowler left Wellpoint to help draft the bill for Sen. Baucus.  She then went to the WH to help implement it.  She then went to Johnson & Johnson to profit from it.  The revolving door continues on its path.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:40:40 AM PDT

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      •  Unfortunately, I can't read minds, but I do (2+ / 0-)
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        often wonder how much of the deeply flawed bill was just a result of the Administration not sending their own bill over to the House, and creating the ground floor for negotiation themselves, out of a desire "Not to repeat the 90's".

        "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

        by JesseCW on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:31:17 AM PDT

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