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    up in the DC burbs and still am a fan of the R**s.  I have used the word 'Warrior' when singing the theme song after scores for decades now and I know I am not the only one.  Would that be a acceptable name change for the Washington football team.

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    by Kevskos on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 01:16:56 PM PDT

    •  it is the oldest fight song in football (3+ / 0-)
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      they will not give it up unless they have something else to sing that is close enough to it .

      i posted my alternative lyrics upthread.

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      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 02:58:33 PM PDT

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    •  My step dad was a fan of the team (1+ / 0-)
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      also. I hope that they will resolve this for all concerned.

      And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

      by high uintas on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 05:44:35 PM PDT

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    •  "Warriors" fits fine in the song. (1+ / 0-)
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      "Warriors" would be better than what we have now. Keep the logo and everything else. Just change the obviously racist name. I say this as a long time fan who's heart bleeds burgundy and gold.

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        You do realize that Warriors would be regarded as racist as well, because it would imply that American Indians were murdering savages?

        People keep wanting to equate Redskins with n***, but the two are far different. The latter was deliberately used as an insult and to demean; the former was more of mere slang typically used without venom. Or do you think it's offensive for an Indian to use the term "paleface" when referring to a white? No, these days they're simply ironic relics of a bygone era.

        I'd be curious to see just how many actual Indians (at least 50 percent native ancestry) find this deeply offensive. Most of them seem to shrug it off or actually embrace the name as a lark. I get the impression the ones who are really offended are the whites with a bit of Indian ancestry who are taking this opportunity to jump aboard the victim bus.

        •  "I'd be curious to see just how many .... (2+ / 0-)

          ... actual Indians (at least 50 percent native ancestry) find this deeply offensive."

          Another non-Indian telling Indians who we are based on our blood quantum. Sort of like the Dawes Rolls agents of the late 19th and early 20th centuries determining who was and who was not an Indian based on their appearance. Thus were brothers with the same parents classified differently.

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          by Meteor Blades on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 06:49:41 PM PDT

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        •  As a white with a bit of Indian ancestry... (0+ / 0-)

          ...I see your point. Still, I think "Warriors" would be more appropriate for the capital of the world's supreme military empire.

        •  "How many actual Indians" are asked key question? (2+ / 0-)
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          A woman, whose homeland is the Pine Ridge Reservation writes: 'Think no one cares about the Redskins' team name? Visit a reservation'

          Dana Lone Hill writes that often the wrong question is asked:

          If you want to read a thoughtful opinion on the Washington Redskins mascot debate, I recommend Joe Flood's piece on Buzzfeed: "How The Redskins Debate Goes Over On An Actual Indian Reservation". At least he bothered to see what people living on reservations really think of the term (Flood himself lives on my homeland, the Pine Ridge Reservation). He asked many people if the term was offensive and a majority agreed, we have other things to worry about in Indian Country. But when he turned the question around and asked if they would allow someone to call them a redskin, every single one answered no, because it was offensive.

          I did my own informal survey and got a variety of answers. Yes. No. It doesn't matter, and the ever so popular "We have more important things to worry about." Yet, when I asked the same question Flood did: "What would you do if someone called you a redskin?" The answer was the same. Everyone thought it was offensive. That's why this mascot debate matters.

          And, often it is not just the wrong question, but who is asked? Davis says President Obama should look at the polling data, citing a recent AP poll. Well, ok, using that standard, what does the polling data say about changing numbers now that the public is discussing and becoming educated about this issue, and are Indians included in the polling?

          The Wash Post has a more recent poll:

          A large majority of area sports fans say theWashington Redskins should not change the team name, even though most supporters of the nickname feel the word “redskin” is an inappropriate term for Native Americans, according to a new Washington Post poll.

          Among those who want to keep the Redskins’ name, most — 56 percent — say they feel the word “redskin” is inappropriate. Only half as many — 28 percent — consider the term as an acceptable one to use.

          In the new poll, 28 percent of all Washingtonians say the team should change its name, far above the 11 percent nationally who said so in a recent Associated Press poll.

          …While feelings about the team’s nickname were similar across most demographics, the percentage advocating a shift in the D.C. area peaks at 39 percent among African Americans with college degrees. (There weren’t enough Native Americans among the poll’s 1,106 respondents for meaningful comparison; Native Americans make up less than 1 percent of the population in the region, according to Census data.)

        •  Warrior for Native Americans (0+ / 0-)

          should be no more offensive than Soldier Boy for White people. Some were, some weren't. But I accept that I don't get to make the call.

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          by Mokurai on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 01:03:23 PM PDT

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