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  •  indeed, those are the times when Occupy was most (7+ / 0-)

    powerful and effective.

    Nevertheless, the focus of Occupy DID change over time to focus almost entirely on holding the parks.  And that was its death knell.  A fight about curbing the power of the big banks, is a fight that people will enthusiastically support. A fight with the cops over who can sleep in a park, though, is a fight that people don't give a shit about.

    We made the fight into one about "Occupying", instead of about "Wall Street".

    It killed us.

    •  Actually, no (3+ / 0-)
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      The direct actions were ongoing right up until the end. Not that much effort was put into holding parks. How do you hold a park against hundreds of rioting police? You basically lose that effort.

      Occupy remained amazingly peaceful, with a small few exceptions, in the face of police violence against the public. Sure, that tends to use up energy, but the actions did not stop. We were protesting banks and foreclosures even after we were forcefully removed from the parks and the streets.

      And when you say "we" as if you were involved... your commentary leads me to think your involvement was minimal. You don't seem to know much about the details of what was going on in day to day organizational efforts.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 01:01:35 PM PDT

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      •  oh, for fucks sake . . . . . . (5+ / 0-)

        So many assumptions, all of them wrong . . . . .

        (sigh)

        Not that much effort was put into holding parks.

        Nonsense.  It's why I wrote this diary at the time: http://www.dailykos.com/...

        How do you hold a park against hundreds of rioting police? You basically lose that effort.
        That is precisely what I argued at the time.

        And we did indeed lose that effort.

        And when you say "we" as if you were involved... your commentary leads me to think your involvement was minimal. You don't seem to know much about the details of what was going on in day to day organizational efforts.
        That is pretty funny.

        I was in from day one.

        Once again, you are simply seeing what you want to see.  And it's just not there.  (shrug)

        When you're ready to discuss things with ME, and not the person you want to see there, let me know.  Occupy was an important step.  We need to learn from its mistakes.

        •  Perhaps we differ (3+ / 0-)
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          on the definition of "effort." I was in what was arguably the largest Occupy camp in the US, by some reports. Not the largest in peak attendance (that would be New York) but the largest camps. And we were evicted from several parks on several occasions. But we kept on organizing direct action events all the while. The effort to keep the parks certainly occurred, but it wasn't all that was going on at the time.

          Besides, Occupying the parks was itself a form of direct action, demanding the right to peacefully assemble.

          Occupy Portland is still in operation, but it has waned, to be sure. There was an Occupy activity yesterday, in fact.

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 02:10:21 PM PDT

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