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  •  They are delusional... (4+ / 0-)
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    at least the Tea Partiers are, and for whatever reason the rest of the Party seems determined to follow them to the cliff's edge - possibly right over it.

    Sen. Toomey (R-PA) was on Morning Joe spouting the party line: it won't matter if we default on our debts, Oct 17 is an arbitrary date, we have enough money on hand to cover most of our immediate debts, etc.

    He said it all with a straight face. It was hard to tell if he actually believed what he was saying or if he's just a really good liar. Probably a bit of both.

    Cognitive Dissonance, thy name is GOP.

    As for rising inequality, many on the right don’t even think it’s a problem...Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less ~ E.J. Dionne

    by AuroraDawn on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 06:00:37 AM PDT

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    •  It's bad enough when they deny basic science (4+ / 0-)

      from climate change and evolution to women's health, but to have them now deny Economics 101 and what happens to countries that default on their debts is mind-boggling.

      I'm not sure if they are lying or just willfully ignorant.

      I hope the Chamber of Commerce types who helped bankroll these nuts can either reel them in or are prepared for the outcome.

      Filibuster reform, 2013 - woulda, coulda, shoulda.

      by bear83 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 06:34:27 AM PDT

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      •  Some of the Tea Partiers (if not all)... (2+ / 0-)
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        genuinely believe that defaulting on our debt won't harm the economy. In fact, some are arguing that it might actually be a good thing. I can't remember which lunatic congressman made the latter claim. He insisted it would "send a message to the world" that we are economically prudent, and serious about reducing our debt. Then there was the guy who told Chris Matthews that he understood complex international economics because he had "raised a family", and that he didn't trust economists, left or right.

        The true believers are terrifying.

        John Boehner, however, isn't a true believer. He's just a mendacious, cowardly opportunist. So are the other "moderates" in the Republican Party. John McCain claimed to be "ashamed" yesterday. He should be. The moderates may be (comparatively) sane, but they're gutless.

        I hope the Chamber of Commerce types who helped bankroll these nuts can either reel them in or are prepared for the outcome.
        This is my hope, too, because if our economy's well-being is dependant on Boehner growing a spine, we're doomed. He doesn't have the courage to do the right thing. It will take some figurative arm-twisting.

        As for rising inequality, many on the right don’t even think it’s a problem...Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less ~ E.J. Dionne

        by AuroraDawn on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 06:47:12 AM PDT

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    •  he is sort of right (0+ / 0-)

      From what I hear the major problems wouldn't happen until Nov 1st. After that they pay the interest on the debt and pick and choose what else to pay.
      Eventually SS checks would probably stop and we would have anarchy. Nothing worse than irate senior citizens.

      •  Even if it is an "arbitrary date"... (0+ / 0-)

        and they have another two weeks (hardly a big difference), there is no possible way that things will be just fine and dandy - as he claimed - if we default. Picking and choosing what to pay, possibly leaving Medicare and SS recipients in the lurch, is not "fine". He's nuts.

        As for rising inequality, many on the right don’t even think it’s a problem...Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less ~ E.J. Dionne

        by AuroraDawn on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 07:29:17 AM PDT

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    •  Chris Matthews actually made a good point on that (1+ / 0-)
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      Ok, so lets grant them that Oct. 17th isn't the REAL date.

      That gives us what, another week? What's the difference if the date is Oct. 17th or Oct. 24th? What's going to happen in that week if they're not going to pass a debt ceiling raise anyway?

      The real problem is that a lot of these Rand Paul types IMO actually believe this Ayn Rand nonsense. It's not just a political ploy.

      Conservative ideology is basically a religion. Facts are irrelevant.

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 09:28:52 AM PDT

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      •  The real date (1+ / 0-)
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        The real date might make a difference in the state election in VA, NJ, and NC if it comes just before election day.

        In VA, remember, a lot of federal workers will have to start paying their personal bills, and will have the day off to vote.

      •  Well said. (0+ / 0-)
        Conservative ideology is basically a religion. Facts are irrelevant.
        And if we do default, they'll just blame Obama and liberals for whatever follows.

        As for rising inequality, many on the right don’t even think it’s a problem...Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less ~ E.J. Dionne

        by AuroraDawn on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 07:51:30 PM PDT

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