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  •  Have you seen the new rules? (0+ / 0-)

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 07:40:07 PM PDT

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    •  new rules? (1+ / 0-)
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      Do you think they will be sufficient?

      A fanatic is one who won't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill

      by Obamagrandma on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 07:41:41 PM PDT

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      •  No rule will be sufficient... (2+ / 0-)
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        There is no way to prevent head contact in football without so radically altering the game that it would not be recognizable.

        GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

        by LordMike on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 07:48:27 PM PDT

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        •  Then radically alter it. (0+ / 0-)

          Let's make it unrecognizable. Or follow soccer like the rest of the world.

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          by anastasia p on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 08:09:51 PM PDT

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          •  There is no interest in soccer here... (0+ / 0-)

            ...other than a recreational sport.  It's concepts are way too European to take hold here.  In fact, there's a very good reason why a guy named Walter Camp so radically altered the rules of soccer 125 years ago, and even the Canadian territories of the UK adopted the new style of play.  It fits our culture better.

            If you are going to alter football to be unrecognizable, you might as well just ban it or kill it 'cos there will be no interest in a mangled sport.  Football is probably dying, anyways... a long slow death, but it's probably inevitable as parents start pulling their kids from playing.  It will probably eventually become like boxing.  It may be hard to believe today, but it wasn't that long ago that boxing was the most popular sport in America.  Now it barely even registers.

            GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

            by LordMike on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 08:24:16 PM PDT

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            •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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              It's concepts are way too European to take hold here.
              What exactly does that mean?
              In fact, there's a very good reason why a guy named Walter Camp so radically altered the rules of soccer 125 years ago,
              I think he altered the rules of rugby not soccer.
              It fits our culture better
              How so?
              •  One of the common denominators... (0+ / 0-)

                ....of American sports is the concept of "possession".  In all "American" sports, there is a strong concept of maintaining possession of the ball for a specific period of time.  Basketball has the shortest possessions, and baseball the longest.  The ability to maintain possession of the ball allows for the build up of dramatic tension--runners on base with nobody out in the ninth inning, down by 3 in a football game with 2 minutes to go and a final drive to tie or win the game.  These concepts are foreign to european sports like association football (soccer) and tennis.  There are no sustained possessions in soccer.  There is no opportunity for a final scoring drive down by a goal.  In fact, scoring in soccer is almost accidental, or the result of a penalty kick, without any tension in the buildup to that score.  This concept is in fundamental difference to American sports, which has a buildup prior to scoring.  The exception is basketball, but once again, there is a defined possession prior to scoring.

                Anyways, I'm getting long winded... there are a bunch of other reasons why soccer has never caught on beyond the spectator level here, but possession is one big one.

                As to the second question...

                Rugby and soccer share a common root.  In fact, it was only the later rules of soccer that disallowed the use of hands.  Camp did take one idea from soccer--11 men a side.  That was the first break from rugby football, the system of downs and was the biggest break--also blocking, but that was before Camp started meddling around with the sport.

                GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

                by LordMike on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 09:19:33 PM PDT

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            •  de que estas hablando, wey? (0+ / 0-)

              90,000 people will watch Mexico play Argentina in the LA Coliseum on a work night.

              A big Mexico national team or league game will generate NFL sized Nielsen ratings on Univision.

              "states like VT and ID are not 'real america'" -icemilkcoffee

              by Utahrd on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 09:56:25 PM PDT

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              •  And the world cup drew super bowl type... (0+ / 0-)

                ...ratings when the U.S. was in it.  Yeah, not surprising.  Nationalism makes these single, unique events interesting, but a sustained interest in a professional or amateur (i.e. college) league has been lacking for the last 50 years despite massive attempts at trying to make it popular.  Heck, the college softball world series is probably twice as popular as the MLS on TV, maybe even 3 times.

                GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

                by LordMike on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 06:44:10 AM PDT

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                •  Who watches that Liga Llanera? (0+ / 0-)

                  MLS Nielsen ratings = Informercial Nielsen ratings

                  Mexican League Nielsen ratings (for Chivas - America or maybe the Liga MX finals) = Bad NFL game Nielsen ratings

                  And as soon as Liga MX fans can spend more time watching futbol and less meeting with lawyers, futbol ratings will go way up.

                  "states like VT and ID are not 'real america'" -icemilkcoffee

                  by Utahrd on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 09:33:22 AM PDT

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          •  No sport is safe (1+ / 0-)
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            if by safe you mean 0% concussion rate.

            http://www.momsteam.com/...

            So, what threshold is acceptable to you?

      •  Sufficient to turn the game of football into (0+ / 0-)

        a device for "fantasy football" and gambling.  But it won't do much to prevent injuries.

        "Because I am a river to my people."

        by lordcopper on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 07:49:11 PM PDT

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