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  •  Occupy COULDVE been the best thing... (1+ / 0-)
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    but it chose to consort with anarchism instead of relying on tried-and-true democratic processes. People need leaders. Groups need goals. Being pissed off at anything and everything just gets you the Tea Party - although at least the Tea Party has enough influence to shut down the government. What has Occupy accomplished again..?

    Boehner: "Shut down Obamacare or the budget gets it!" Reid: "Don't think so." B: "But.. but.. shut down Obamacare!" R: "No." B: "... Please?" R: "Fuck off."

    by evilcommunist on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 09:11:21 PM PDT

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    •  Inspiratrion! (0+ / 0-)

      But it sounds like you are such a realist that you don't place much weight in inspiration.  I didn't like the way Occupy handled the Black Bloqers either.  But not being dictatorial and realizing the necessity for personal, moral evolution, the freedom of choice in which we believe is a tender sticky wicket.

      The best I an tell you is we're working on it.
      BTW: A communist is not evil!

      the war being waged...is the relentless ...struggle... by the rich against the poor. " by Andrew O'Hehir in "Salon"

      by dharmasyd on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 09:42:32 PM PDT

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    •  Also, ec... (0+ / 0-)

      ...Those weren't anarchists.  True anarchism is a very highly disciplined knowledge of responsibility.  Freedom comes only from true mastery of the perameters of science and nature.

      Black Bloqers are not anarchists.  They are destructive nihilists.  That's an important distinction.  How a group deals with destructive nihilists is the real question.

      Thank you.

      the war being waged...is the relentless ...struggle... by the rich against the poor. " by Andrew O'Hehir in "Salon"

      by dharmasyd on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 09:48:39 PM PDT

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      •  I wasn't referring to black blockers (1+ / 0-)
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        I was referring to the people who insisted on unanimous agreement, on people who shouted down people who tried to take any leadership role. That is anarchism - not the physically destructive kind, but destructive enough to one's cause nonetheless.

        Boehner: "Shut down Obamacare or the budget gets it!" Reid: "Don't think so." B: "But.. but.. shut down Obamacare!" R: "No." B: "... Please?" R: "Fuck off."

        by evilcommunist on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 10:08:33 PM PDT

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        •  I'll say once more... (0+ / 0-)

          ...anarchism is not destructive.  I do hear your side of the argument  And I do agree that insistence on unanimity was/is a problem.  But it feels like we could go on debating this too long.  We're not going to solve it.  I hope that hearing each other will contribute a little to moving the process forward.

          the war being waged...is the relentless ...struggle... by the rich against the poor. " by Andrew O'Hehir in "Salon"

          by dharmasyd on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 10:42:41 PM PDT

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