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  •  Actually, it was Clinton who started the... (1+ / 0-)
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    shut down tactic to achieve political ends.  When the D's were in opposition they flirted with the idea but never used it.

    It also isn't correct to compare this with 2011.  Then what was being negotiated wasn't the established law, passed by both houses and approved the SCOTUS and already implemented.  Then it was the Bush tax cuts, and if recall, the D's got quite a bit more than increased taxes on those earning over $400k.  

    It is popular to say the D's "caved" but then the R's say that about Boehner too, so that sounds like both sides actually compromised and got a little something each.

    As I said above, this is not the same animal at all.  The GOP is nolonger run by the Speaker but by the Tea Party, and the TP won't give up anything.  They don't make offers, they make demands.  There is nothing the D's could offer in exchange for repealing OCare that would reopen government even if they were willing to negotiate while government was shut down.  All they can give to end the shut down is repealing OCare; or in other words, handing over the reins of government to the minority of the minority.

    They can't, even if they wanted too.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 07:39:39 AM PDT

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    •  Anything's possible when you make the rules (0+ / 0-)

      or when you can find the Magic Loophole (like the Platinum Coin concept)
      I'm really hoping you're right but see above
      I wish I had your confidence but there's plenty of history of backing down and compromising in a variety of different circumstances to look at.
      And the latest thing was Syria. The red line turned out not to be so red or so much a line after all. he was talked out of a strike (Thank God!) which it really  seemed like he was intent on doing. I was not impressed by his dedication to what I thought would be such a wrongheaded thing to do.

      And I think it would be wrong to back down or compromise on this.

      Happy just to be alive

      by exlrrp on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:14:06 PM PDT

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