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  •  This approach should've been adopted long ago (6+ / 0-)

    It clearly wasn't adopted in 12/10:

    Q Mr. President, thank you. How do these negotiations affect negotiations or talks with Republicans about raising the debt limit? Because it would seem that they have a significant amount of leverage over the White House now, going in. Was there ever any attempt by the White House to include raising the debt limit as a part of this package?

    THE PRESIDENT: When you say it would seem they’ll have a significant amount of leverage over the White House, what do you mean?

    Q Just in the sense that they’ll say essentially we’re not going to raise the — we’re not going to agree to it unless the White House is able to or willing to agree to significant spending cuts across the board that probably go deeper and further than what you’re willing to do. I mean, what leverage would you have –

    THE PRESIDENT: [silence].... Look, here’s my expectation — and I’ll take John Boehner at his word — that nobody, Democrat or Republican, is willing to see the full faith and credit of the United States government collapse, that that would not be a good thing to happen. And so I think that there will be significant discussions about the debt limit vote. That’s something that nobody ever likes to vote on. But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower.

    The suggested approach wasn't taken in the summer of '11.  We got sequestration from it, and we would've gotten worse had Boehner taken the Grand Bargain that the WH was offering.   Cutting SS and Medicare were both on table then.

    Let's not forget the recent fiscal cliff deal, which proved to be a decidedly mixed bag. Yes, it's good to see Dems stand up this time.   There were, however, many chances to have seen it happen sooner.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 08:23:29 AM PDT

    •  Being conciliatory all those other times (6+ / 0-)

      has made it obvious who the radicals are this time. So, while I also disagreed with those other deals, at least the cumulative effect may end up being the lancing of the Tea Party boil, as the people see that they've gone so far off the deep end, while Obama has been reasonable but finally has had to take a stand. We'll see.

      •  At the risk of triggering Godwin's Law, I am (2+ / 0-)
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        Ian Reifowitz, peptabysmal

        really reminded of how the British and French attempted to negotiate with Hitler during the 30s. They thought in Hitler that they had a responsible negotiating partner who would stop escalating demands and, instead, what they found was that each demand that they agreed to only led to more and more outrageous demands.

        Thus Obama and the Dems have been until now channeling Chamberlain but now may be starting to channel Churchill.

      •  No longer able to rec, but agree. (0+ / 0-)
        So, while I also disagreed with those other deals, at least the cumulative effect may end up being the lancing of the Tea Party boil, as the people see that they've gone so far off the deep end, while Obama has been reasonable but finally has had to take a stand. (emphases added)
        Finally standing up to the bullies--and they have few allies left (granted, some of them are billionaires, so it's not a certainty for our side).

        "Push the button, Max!" Jack Lemmon as Professor Fate, The Great Race

        by bartcopfan on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 12:42:57 PM PDT

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