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  •  Research shows that high gun states actually.... (1+ / 0-)
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    have higher suicide rates, but the increase is in firearms suicide rather than in suicide overall.  They matched these groups by population.  

    What this means is a slight uptick in non-firearms suicide rate but an almost doubling of the suicide rate overall and all due to firearms suicides.

    Suicides in the 15 U.S. States with the Highest vs. the 6 U.S. States with the Lowest Average Household Gun Ownership (2000-2002)

                                                 High-Gun States        Low-Gun States

    Population                                  39 million                   40 million

    Household Gun Ownership          47%                           15%

    Firearm Suicide                           9,749                      2,606

    Non-Firearm Suicide                   5,060                      5,446

    Total Suicide                             14,809                      8,052

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/... Control

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    by murrayewv on Thu Oct 31, 2013 at 10:33:29 AM PDT

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    •  But isn't that simply reflecting that the majority (0+ / 0-)

      of suicides in almost ALL states are gun suicides.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Thu Oct 31, 2013 at 12:55:57 PM PDT

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      •  I realize this is hard to see in a data table.... (1+ / 0-)
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        but let me make it clear.  the majority of suicides in the low gun states are NOT from guns, but from other means.  the number from other means is marginally higher, which could also be accounted for with the extra million persons in that sample.  

        So fewer guns means fewer suicides in total, at least in these states.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 06:09:52 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks will follow up later (0+ / 0-)

          E.g. if I understand your answer, in a like NY, MD, or DC the gun suicide rate is so low that other methods dominate the total suicide rate?

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 06:18:06 PM PDT

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          •  yes, that is what the data indicate on these... (0+ / 0-)

            low gun owner states.  This should include Hawaii, which has a surprisingly high suicide rate and very low firearms rate.  Cultural values about suicide are different in Asia vs. Europe (although that is a pretty broad brush).

            Good news is that Hawaii has worked hard at youth suicide prevention and lowered their rate through interventions and counseling.  http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/...

            This is one of the frustrating things for me in the firearms suicide discussion.  Suicide can be prevented through interventions and counseling.  My spouse was a mental health counselor and has worked hard with an at risk, PTSD population, to prevent suicide.  If we wouldn't just blow off the role of firearms, we could make a bigger impact.  Heck, just keeping the bullets separately locked up makes an impact.

            You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

            by murrayewv on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 06:49:04 PM PDT

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