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  •  Typical defeatism from the Left. Can't you wait (2+ / 0-)
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    until it's over to say "I told you so"?

    You left out one big part of the problem, either Democrats won't come out and vote consistently, r the voters aren't so keen on the ideas you think should be enacted.

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:13:34 PM PDT

    •  Or, could it be that voters are being betrayed by (5+ / 0-)

      the people they elect to office? I doubt very much that the average voter wants the kind of austerity budgets that the government has been enacting in recent years, yet no matter who people vote for, that's what we keep getting. I think it's because politicians are too comfortable due to gerrymandering and receive too much of their money from corporate lobbyists.

      The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

      by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:21:26 PM PDT

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      •  Don't kid yourself, austerity sells. Now when the (1+ / 0-)
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        effects of austerity hit home, nobody likes it very much.  But by then, the smart politician is already telling them who to blame.  It's even easier if the average voter is predisposed to a certain conclusion.

        You figure out a way to communicate a primer in economics/history/law to the average voter, and you just may solve this nation's problems.  Until then, let's see if we can "maintain order and discipline in the ranks", at least until the first shot is fired.  Then everyone can break ranks and run for their lives.

        "Because I am a river to my people."

        by lordcopper on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:29:42 PM PDT

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    •  So you're saying... (0+ / 0-)

      It's better to keep quiet and deny reality, then?

      Because keeping quiet, and "maintaining order and discipline in the ranks," as you say in another comment, will have as much of a positive impact on this situation as not doing so will have a negative impact, or something.

      This, too, is a typical response.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 03:36:53 PM PDT

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      •  Look, there are only two appropriate courses of (1+ / 0-)
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        action when the "ship of state" is taking on water,  Either grab an oar and row, or grab a bucket and bail.  Wait until you're on dry land to start the finger pointing and second guessing.  

        Is that typical enough for you?

        "Because I am a river to my people."

        by lordcopper on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 04:13:53 PM PDT

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        •  Yes. It's typical enough for me. (1+ / 0-)
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          It's the "now's not a good time, because [excuse]" argument in slightly different packaging.

          Thanks for clearing that up.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 05:19:02 PM PDT

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