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  •  There are two words in 18 USC § 2384... (4+ / 0-)
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    craiger, johnny wurster, pelagicray, VClib

    ...that are rather essential to its meaning:

    "[T]wo or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspir[ing] to ... by force ... prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States."(emphasis mine)
    Neither members of Congress voting to shut down the government nor private citizens using their free-speech rights to pressure members of Congress to vote to shut down the government are doing anything "by force."

    If we are truly going to begin defining calling for the use of legislative tactics designed to repeal a law as criminally-prosecutable "sedition," then we might as well just pack up the Constitution and be done with it, because it's essentially a recipe for perpetual rule by whichever party happens to hold the levers of power.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:29:17 PM PDT

    •  Let's just declare the shutdown an insurrection (1+ / 0-)
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      Rich in PA

      I've been idly fantasizing about the 14th amendment...no, the other part.

          in·sur·rec·tion  (ns-rkshn)n.
      The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.
      No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
      And a golden oldie from Mr. Paine-
      Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

      "I'm not a humanitarian. I'm a hell-raiser." Mother Jones

      by histopresto on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:43:15 PM PDT

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    •  You and I will have to disagree on the definition (0+ / 0-)

      of force.

      The billionaire money-holders have wielded their immense powers of coercion to force a shutdown of our government.

      That's force.

      Stop the party of Gut & Spend policies that gut our Earned Benefits programs like Social Security and Medicare and spends on tax breaks for the wealthy elite.

      by jillwklausen on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 03:22:14 PM PDT

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      •  jill - that's not force in the context of this law (0+ / 0-)

        Progressives should never advocate criminalizing politics. In the long term that is policy that will hurt us.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 05:56:35 PM PDT

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