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  •  I would consult an attorney. (9+ / 0-)

    First consults are usually free.

    Then try talking with the neighbor.

    My neighbor actually said it was hers and that she was responsible for it!

    When she didn't remove it and I did, I have expected her to go off on me. Think she knew better as she admitted it was hers and that we both knew it was damaging the garden shed. Problem solved.

    Ivy is so invasive. It smothers other plants and can damage structures.

    "the Devil made me buy this dress!" Flip Wilson as Geraldine Jones

    by BlueJessamine on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 07:42:02 AM PDT

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    •  Didn't work. (9+ / 0-)

      The driveway is mine, and the wild yard is my neighbor's. They're unwilling to make sure it stays off my driveway (it's my driveway, they have a baby and jobs, blah, blah, blah).

      And I am an attorney.  I know, legally, I can cut what's crossing over onto my property and cannot legally touch what's on theirs.  

      I was curious how people felt about where the moral responsibility lies.

      For the last 16 years, I've kept that zombie horde from taking over my property, and I just spent spent the last two days on that yearly chore, filling six kraft bags with vegetation (not counting what I threw back on their yard in fits of pique and what's still left in my driveway to bag up).  

      If I don't do it, cars get scraped going up the driveway, ivy gets tangled in the snowblower, I can't get the driveway seal-coated and I risk having to pay for damage to vehicles that might come up my driveway and get hung up on the hidden boulders (which has happened before).  

      As I get older, that chore gets more difficult. Right now, every muscle and joint in my body is screaming, and the nerves in my hands that I've had three surgeries on are not too happy either.  

      I've been trying to adjust things around here so that I can manage better as I get older. But I can't do anything about that zombie horde. Since I don't own it, I can't replant it with material that doesn't want to take over the world. All I can legally do is chop it back to the edge of my driveway (i.e., the property line) every year (although I have also been uncovering the boulders to make them visible). And the year when I physically can't do it anymore is fast approaching.

      My only choice will be to spend hundreds of dollars a year that I don't have on landscapers ... and hope they don't step off or reach over the edge of my driveway and thereby commit a tort while doing it.

      I've been feeling beseiged by that zombie horde of a yard because it's relentless and I'm powerless to keep it from advancing year after year after year.  

      I have always made sure that my yard stays in my yard, so I have been feeling resentful that the neighbors don't do the same with their yard.  But for 16 years, no one in that house has taken one step to control what their yard does along our property line even though they spend many hours working in every other part of their yard, so it got me thinking that maybe they don't have a moral responsibility after all, that maybe it's my thinking that's screwed up.  That's why I posed the question today (as well as to others), as a gut-check.

      Even though the consensus is that I'm in the wrong here, I have to admit that I'm going to find it tough to straighten up my attitude towards the zombie horde and all the work I have ahead of me and can't prevent in the years to come.

      Trying ....

      •  Okay - with plants (7+ / 0-)

        that self seed... not much you can do.

        But with plants that grow via runners?  (ie, the lily of the valley)  Is there anything you can do to get a true barrier down.  I know it's a big job to put in, but will save you years of having to hassle with those type of plants to rip out.  Kind of like what they would put in for bamboo.  You don't have to get anything like steel, but any heavy duty hard plastic that can be inserted about 10 inches deep?

        Honestly, my friend Sham is going through something similar.  She just goes and cleans things up.  It drives her crazy.  The problem she has is that their property line on that side of the house has no clear division really towards the front of the houses.  So her lawn looks wonderful!  And theirs which joins right up looks like shit and their crabgrass creeps into her lawn.

        All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

        by kishik on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 10:08:02 AM PDT

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        •  I dunno. (7+ / 0-)

          I thought of maybe getting some sheet metal and pounding it down into the ground alongside the driveway.  There are a few worries with that, though.  Having a metal 'wall' sticking a foot or so up out of the ground (1) would be ugly as hell, (2) could be its own safety hazard since the driveway is so narrow, and (3) would be a trespass on their property (my driveway, even for as narrow as it is, technically encroaches on their property).

          •  no - not sticking up... (7+ / 0-)

            but sunk into the ground... so runners can't be sent out by plants so they grow on YOUR side.

            Can you take a pix of the edge of your driveway with the boulders?

            Even a brick border may help to keep certain plants at bay... not entirely, but slow them down.

            Ivy... you can't do much except rip up and cut.  But that's the easiest to maintain overall.  Ivy has specific growing times.

            All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

            by kishik on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 10:28:37 AM PDT

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          •  Does it have to stick up out of the ground? (7+ / 0-)

            I'm mostly worried about your hands.  It's one thing to work yourself to the bones on your own stuff, but what a frustration to wreck your body (temporarily, knock wood) from cleaning up after someone else!  Unacceptable.

            Kish is on to something with her "alter the set up to minimize maintenance" perspective on it.  And ideally, the cost of making those changes would be shared, but i'm guessing that won't happen.  Still, it might be worth trying to engage on that front on the off chance the spirit of cooperation will prevail ... for greatest effect, maybe they would have to put some kind of plant barrier in on their side, and you can do the same on yours ...

            I dunno.  But this situation doesn't seem sustainable ...

            Ice up those hands ... soak those muscles ...  watch junk tv and have a glass of wine.

            Those are my orders.

            •  unfortunately... (5+ / 0-)

              the junk on tv is junkier than usual!! Not even any good My Cat from Hell repeats or good cooking shows!!

              poor welso.

              I'll say this, the neighbor who has been there longest now next to me was NOT always the best neighbor.  But when his neighbors from hell moved next to him, I think he realized I really wasn't that bad in comparison.  ;-)  His wife and I always got along, though... she would always ask me gardening advice!

              The newer neighbors (the Mormons with six kids) are really quite nice.  The fence between us is theirs, and it is about time to soon be replaced.  He spoke to me a couple of times, apologizing (some panels keep blowing down).  If he doesn't get to putting them back up, I do.  But while the fence will eventually need to be replaced, honestly, he has other expenses right now (aside from the six kids!!) and he wants wood, not vinyl.  So I told him it wasn't a big deal to me, nor an eyesore, and if he needed to wait a few more seasons, that was okay with me.  I wouldn't mind a lower fence.  I think he is a little self-conscious about all his kids running around, so prefers something a little higher.

              All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

              by kishik on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 02:27:56 PM PDT

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