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  •  Most of that (15+ / 0-)

    was the WH´s fault. I do agree that Reid didn´t use any whipping when he had nearly an absolute majority.
    A better example is why they didn´t pass a budget favorable to a recovery, why the Energy bill passed by Congress at a significant cost never came down, why so much bowing to Rs in nominations for over 5 years, allowing crazy levels of filibuster adn many other things

    I do believe the first two years in power of the WH and large majorities in both chambers was incredibly mostly wasted. If the Rs get there ever you will see a bill a day and a total dismantling of the new deal

    •  There were never, ever, large, fillibuster-proof (37+ / 0-)

      majorities in the Obama administration.  I'm not sure why so many KOS diaries are peppered with "Obama + Democrats = Bad" misinformation equations, but i'm getting pretty sick of it.

      •  You're not the only one. (13+ / 0-)

        Best to ignore and move on because once the big lie takes hold on Kos it lives forever.  The good news is that it only lives among a coterie of purists who couldn't win an election even if they owned the voting machines.

        "Anyone who thinks Obama is like Nixon is a moron. More than that, a F###ING moron". Kos, 5-24-13

        by Lying eyes on Fri Oct 11, 2013 at 10:08:26 AM PDT

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      •  that concept (14+ / 0-)

        (filibuster-proof majorities) rests on the idea that Lieberman was a Democrat. He was, as we all know, an "independent" with a penchant for hanging out with Republicans, who had lost his primary and had no allegiance to the Dems. And that the "filibuster-proof" majority was also composed of several blue dogs and others to the right of Obama (Conrad, Baucus, etc.).

        To keep it simple, let's just talk about Lieberman. What leverage did Obama have over Lieberman to force him to vote for progressive legislation? What leverage did Reid have to "whip" Lieberman into line? That they would fund a primary opponent (already done)? That they wouldn't fund his next campaign?

        Those of you who think "reconciliation = simple majority," please remember that reconciliation occurs only after both chambers have passed a bill (that can be filibustered).

        I'm also exhausted by this repeated piece of misinformation.

        "Sentiment without action is the ruin of the soul." --Ed Abbey

        by progreen on Fri Oct 11, 2013 at 10:20:17 AM PDT

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        •  and it also forgets (9+ / 0-)

          the election contest that delayed Al Franken's seating in the Senate.

          All told, the Democrats filibuster proof control of the Senate lasted for slightly over a month, and relied on rather fickle fancies of one Joe Lieberman.

          Actually, I'm amazed that we got as much done as we did!

        •  Committee Assignments (2+ / 0-)
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          Joe Lieberman served on Senate Committees at the behest of Harry Reid, including as the Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee.  Reid never once threatened Lieberman he very well could have whipped him into line by threatening Lieberman's powerful committee assignments.

          With that said, yes, politics is extremely complicated at that level and none of here can pretend to know what sort of deals these people are making behind the scenes.

          [Terrorists] are a dime a dozen, they are all over the world and for every one we lock up there will be three to take his place. --Digby

          by rabel on Fri Oct 11, 2013 at 11:55:23 AM PDT

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        •  Lieberman who not only endorsed McCain for Pres (0+ / 0-)

          but campaigned for him and McCain wanted Joe as his VP nom but was overruled. ..He really fought for Joe Lieberman to be his VP candidate.

          Joe was all in for Republican McCain and continued to stand with McCain on a lot of issues in the Senate.

          Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln threatened to vote with Republicans if public option stayed in bill.

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          by wishingwell on Fri Oct 11, 2013 at 01:50:59 PM PDT

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      •  I'll take a stab at it. (2+ / 0-)
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        There's a lot of disappointment. Many people did believe that there would be more wonderful things. After all, we had...well, in one sense, a filibuster-proof majority...except it wasn't.

        We had idiots like Bart Stupak and Holy Joe Lieberman giving us a harsh reality check. In the end it turned out that the nominal party balance didn't reflect the actual balance in Congress as a whole. Congress as a whole has a majority of conservative American'ts. And, as American'ts do, they want to say no, they want to hold back progress unless they get their little ego-fluffing moment.

        Aside from the disappointed folks, there are others that would like to blow up the system. There's a sizable number here who feel that the two-party system in and of itself is the cause of all this. It's hard to disagree. When it becomes "Democrats = Republicans," it is problematic. But it is a niche here, and it's a niche that is certainly supported by many.

        Others simply just don't like Democrats and wish to support other parties or just not vote. That's their prerogative.

        But you know, there's a little thread here too, and this is just my opinion, my interpretation. To me, a lot of people really do want to be seen as right. Think about it...if what President Obama is doing ends up benefiting the country, as it largely has, the mantras of "He's a corporate sellout," "he's a Republican" would look pretty silly and foolish. Accordingly, since most people see Obama as helping, as his approval shows, then this means that the people are 'plugged into the matrix.'

        95% of black folks approve of Obama -> They are deluded, brainwashed, what's wrong with them?
        80% of Asians approve of Obama -> They are deluded, brainwashed, what's wrong with them?

        The people with the normal FUD (distinguished from legitimate grievances such as the whole Snowden thing, the drones, the Wall Street revolving door) feel that they are the holders of the Cassandra Truth. If only the sheeple would just listen to them, and do something, anything, against Barack Obama the Republican who honestly, truly, wants a grand bargain to sell their grandparents down the river. The sheeple are not unplugged from the Matrix like they are. Only they can see the world for what it is.

        And so on and so forth.

      •  It seems you didn't read what I wrote (0+ / 0-)

        I never said there were large filibuster proof majorities. The difference was in the House Nancy was willing to put some wight on people and got some quite difficult votes. The Senators, as a boy, with Reid as their leader and the WH giving them kid gloves treatment starting by giving Lieberman back his gavel and seniority, wasted 2 years save a couple of bills.  On top it was up to Reid and the well over 50 votes he had to change the rules about filibustering, it has taken 5 years of abuse to do a mild reform of them

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