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  •  are all of those (0+ / 0-)

    killed/wounded "bad" uses of a gun? Or are some of them police protecting themselves/us against criminals, of even individual citizens doingso?

    or are all uses of a gun "bad" by definition?

    •  You didn't read the diary, did you? (6+ / 0-)
      The newsletter reported 14 incidents of individuals successfully using guns either at home, on the street, or in their place of business to thwart intruders, robbers, or burglars. The first of the incidents was dated August 30, 2013; the last one was dated October 9, 2013 -- a period of 41 days.
      The diarist isn't disputing the classification of these 14 cases as justified uses of a firearm, so the answer to your question is no.
      or are all uses of a gun "bad" by definition?
      Nice try.
      •  i was referring to these uses (0+ / 0-)
        3,444 Americans were killed by a gun (2,091 by suicide) and another 7,913 were wounded by one (410 by attempted suicide).
        and trying to make the point that people being killed/wounded by guns is not necessarily a "bad" use of the gun.

        Just to go full Godwin...Hitler killed himself with a gun and i'd struggle to call that a bad use.

    •  More numbers to help explain my numbers (12+ / 0-)

      Every year in the U.S.A., on average: *

          -- Over 18,000 people kill themselves with a gun (51 each day)

          -- Almost 12,000 people are murdered by a gun (32 each day)

          -- Almost 600 people are accidentally shot and killed by a gun (1 each day)

          -- Over 51,000 people are shot and wounded in an attack involving a gun (140 each day)

          -- Over 16,000 people are accidentally shot and wounded by a gun (43 each day)

          -- Almost 4,000 people are wounded attempting to kill themselves with a gun (10 each day).

      Total killed by guns each year: Over 30,000 (84 each day)

      Total wounded by guns each year: Over 70,000 (193 each day)

      Total number of Americans either killed or wounded by guns each year: Over 100,000 (277 each day)

      * Brady Campaign (gun deaths from police intervention not included here)

      •  Compare these numbers to 9-11. (4+ / 0-)

        Total dead (not including the hijackers): 2,977 people.

        We started TWO wars over that day.

        We lose FOUR TIMES that many people every year to murders by gun.  In the 12 years since 9/11/01, that's 144,000 gun murders.  And nothing is done.

        If we include the 18,000 people who kill themselves with a gun every year (either intentionally or accidentally), that's an additional 216,000 people dead by guns since then.

        Put them together, and you have 360,000 people dead by guns since that day - 120 times the number of dead on 9/11/01.

        With numbers like these, Who fights gun control?  WHO?

        Celtic Merlin

        Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

        by Celtic Merlin on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 05:06:15 AM PDT

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    •  Well, let's see . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      I read a story in the last week about a woman who called 911 to get medical assistance for her diabetic husband and the police showed up at their home and shot him.

      Good use or bad use? Your call.

      The nine most terrifying words in the english language . . . "I'm George Bush, we're here to liberate your country"

      by TiredOfGOPLies on Fri Oct 11, 2013 at 01:13:44 PM PDT

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    •  LEO uses gun (0+ / 0-)

      Must ban guns from the public!!!!!111!!

      But LEO is exempt including retired LEO. ....

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