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View Diary: GOP Shutdown/Default - Latest Updates and Observations (10-13-13) - Harry Reid v. Paul Ryan (172 comments)

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  •  Yes they will (9+ / 0-)

    The shutdown is a problem.  Default is a catastrophe. If a clean debt extension passes the House but the President and Senate balk at it, blame will shift rapidly from the Republicans.

    •  Democratic talking point (8+ / 0-)

      I heard on this subject. " the GOP doesn't want a shut down for wall street, but does want a shut down for main street.

      We will see.

      •  Good talking point. (4+ / 0-)
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        And here's another I wish they'd adopt. I just heard that the Social Security COLA this year will only be about 1.5%. With all the obstruction that's been going on, the economy isn't growing at the pace it could be if the GOP would agree to stop cutting, and start spending. The Dems need to start appealing to the seniors with that bit of information.

    •  Shutdown as Hostage will continue.... (0+ / 0-)

      You are right.  It is a problem compared to a catastrophe.

      Unless the Dems cannot find a way to stop making using hostage taking an option.

      If this becomes normal, or is not resolved, the country begins to crumble, and the baggers rejoice.

      If that happens, there could be a rally from them.  Like a pack of hyenas coming in for a kill.

    •  Disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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      It's ALL an equal problem under the principle the president has set forth, which is that you cannot hold the majority hostage over routine government onus, such as funding the government and raising the debt ceiling. You cannot undo the results of the last election.

      While the default is the scariest thing, there are so many Americans stripped of their paychecks because of the horrendous behavior of the republicans. It is reprehensible and this is a very important part of the message that needs to be delivered.

      If the president allows the shut down to continue by negotiating out of fear over the debt ceiling, the message is the same to the GOP---this is working for us. And recent history shows us they will never stop trying to grow any small win into a bigger catastrophe.

      IMO, it's a do or die moment, and yeah, it's scary as hell. But I think the president must say no to anything but re-opening the government and getting the debt ceiling raised, without concessions, or at least without any concessions that matter more than a dry bone.

      "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

      by StellaRay on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 07:28:18 PM PDT

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