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  •  I wish I felt as optimistic (3+ / 0-)
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    Timothy J, kurt, riverlover

    Schumer is now taking about "entitlement reform". %$#^@&.

    Progressives keep their $ in credit unions, not big banks....find one now:

    by grrr on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 11:23:58 AM PDT

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    •  You need to be more specific. (1+ / 0-)
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      pdx kirk

      Is he talking about "entitlement reform" as a way to negotiate with the republicans on the government shut down and the debt ceiling? This is an important point/question.

      All these discussions can run together, but we need to understand that the issue of opening the government and raising the debt ceiling are over arching to any other discussion.

      Of course there'll be discussions on entitlement reform going forward. Nothing new there, been going on for the last 13 years way out front, and forever and always lurking in the background for republicans just waiting to make it the topic du jour. That was pretty hard to do in the roaring nineties, and when Clinton actually handed a budget surplus to Bush. And Bush got nowhere with his privatization of SS plans, even though the economy had turned slushy.

      It's only now that the republicans can use the deficit they drove up for the better part, including the responsibility they deserve for the Great Recession, that this is again a hot topic.

      And it will continue to be so until we get into another roaring economy, and politicians like Schumer will continue to talk about it, if for no other reason than to look like they're open to the discussion. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, we just don't know yet.

      But it does no good to conflate all these things into one big ball, as if it isn't more complex and multi layered than that.  

      "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

      by StellaRay on Sun Oct 13, 2013 at 08:03:48 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        Cuts to Medicare/Social security need to be off the table. period.

        Attempts to touch what should be a third rail can be easily thwarted by refusing to be bipartisany. "Entitlement reform" needs to be met with loud refusal by the dems who should go to the public and say now the country is being held hostage to steal from seniors.

        Progressives keep their $ in credit unions, not big banks....find one now:

        by grrr on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 05:34:17 AM PDT

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