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  •  You're referring to Madison prior (0+ / 0-)

    to the ratification of the constitution, i.e. the early Madison, as I mentioned. Once it was ratified and adopted and he became a leading congressman, he was absolutely an anti-Federalist, opposing nearly all of Hamilton's proposals. Which, btw, Jefferson was NOT, during the drafting and ratification, which he had little to do with, being in Paris at the time.

    The Federalist Papers represented his views at the time, many of which he did a 180 on later, to the everlasting perplexity of historians.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 07:50:22 AM PDT

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    •  Jefferson was in Paris. (0+ / 0-)

      Madison wrote the Constitution, then Morris did the heavy re-write task to recast it as a legal document.

      Morris added the spectacular Preamble. Originally this was done to name the country formally. It begins, "We the People...."

      Later fights over the National Bank should not be confused with Madison supporting the central government as he had designed it. We live in a Madisonian constitutional democracy -- so far.

      Jefferson is the one who was in Paris. He had been appointed Minister to France in 1785. Effectively serving as Ambassador. Jefferson's wife had died and his friends observed his depression and feared suicide. The appointment was intended to take his mind off that loss. Jefferson remained in France into 1789.

      The National Bank came up as an issue years after the Constitutional Convention. Madison was Jefferson's Secretary of State.

      •  Woah! (0+ / 0-)

        Jefferson had little to do with the drafting or ratification but was a consistent misreader and misinterpreter of the constitution once he returned to the US, first as Washington's SoS, then as an outside agitator, then as president. One would have to subscribe to the teabagger/Scalia version of the constitution (otherwise known as the Articles of Confederation) to buy into Jefferson's views on the constitution. Marshall OWNED his ass on that score.

        In any case, the political fights over the national bank and Hamilton's other big government programs didn't come "years" after ratification, but just a handful of years after it, and on issue after issue, Madison consistently came in on the anti-Federalist/Jeffersonian side, to his everlasting discredit. And we live in a Hamiltonian, not Madisonian let alone Jeffersonian republic. Implied powers won, strict constructionism lost (even though it refuses to acknowledge it, thus the tea party and their delusional Jeffersonian insanity).

        Madison was no lunatic, but he picked the wrong side.

        Also, he didn't "write" the constitution. It was a group effort that he headed and had a major role in. In fact, as you know, he initially opposed the Bill of Rights. Delegates from MD & NJ had lots of say, as did the anti-Federalists through their getting the BoR enacted.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 08:58:42 AM PDT

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