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  •  Wrong on so many levels (10+ / 0-)

    This takes the shutdown/debt limit card off the table for good. Once you pull that, you don't get to do it again.

    This is the GOP terms of surrender. A pity you "Cavers" are too blinded to see that.

    •  Oh please enlighten me... (8+ / 0-)

      How does this take those things off of the table?

      “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

      by RichM on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 03:08:14 PM PDT

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    •  Explain that to me too! Off the table?! (7+ / 0-)

      Nonsense, we're going to have to go through this over and over again now.

      •  Over and over again? (5+ / 0-)

        It worked out so well for the Repubs this time, didn't it?  The party of "No" was on display for all to see, and the majority of people didn't buy it this time around.  

        I don't think reminding them of what happened in about 3 months is a winning Republican idea going into the 2014 elections.

        •  As many shutdown crises as possible next year? (1+ / 0-)
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          mmacdDE

          If that's what the Republicans really want, they may rue the day they asked for it!

          More rope-a-dope from the President, right through Election Day?  It might give us back the House.

        •  It worked damn well for them in 2011! (0+ / 0-)

          And if you think the Dems are going to be in this position every time the Republicans take the country hostage, you are severely mistaken.

        •  Deal = legitimacy. OF COURSE they'll do it again.. (6+ / 0-)

          By making a deal, they'll have shown again that they can use these issues to extort ransom. And if they get something out of the deal, why wouldn't they do it in the future? If these tactics give them anything at all, why would they hesitate to use them again in favor of just caving and passing clean bills?

          Their poll numbers were already shitty, but that didn't stop them this time....

          •  Helluva deal they got... (1+ / 0-)
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            Their favorables polling absolutely tanks to record lows and in return they get income verification.  I bet if you told them before the shutdown that this is all they'd get and their polling would plummet to record lows that they'd surely think it was worth it and go ahead with it.  

            Glenn Greenwald promotes far-right fringe extremist group The Oath Keepers - https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/377787818619064320

            by Jacoby Jonze on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 03:53:37 PM PDT

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            •  Doesn't seem to bother them. (0+ / 0-)

              And it's yet to really materialize into much electorally, thanks in large part to gerrymandered districts. I know the impending death of the GOP seems to be a popular theme on this site, but I'll believe it when I see it. Even if what they get isn't much, and I am very concerned about the effect income verification requirements might have (and a bit stunned they weren't implemented originally with the infrastructure for it ready), they still get to talk about how they stood up and fought the good fight against the evil Muslim dictator. The national polls don't concern them much, I imagine, if their voters in their gerrymandered districts are cool with what they're doing.

          •  And if they got nothing out of the deal (1+ / 0-)
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            mmacdDE

            and the Dems got something for the unions

            maybe that's awfully good

          •  This deal wouldn't be the worst thing (2+ / 0-)
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            in the world.  However, it IS annoying that both of these changes (that both GOP and Dems requested) are to Obamacare, one of the Dems' big laws.  If Dems could have made a change to a GOP law (like the Budget Control Act) in exchange for their making a change to a Dem law, that would have been fair.  This, is still not fair IMO.  They get to claim they made changes to Obamacare as a result of their obstruction.

            •  They WILL have made changes (2+ / 0-)
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              to Obamacare as a result of their obstruction.  what happened to "no negotiations with hostage takers"?

              "If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." - Will Rogers

              by Kentucky DeanDemocrat on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:44:31 PM PDT

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            •  Could be ok. Need to see the details... (1+ / 0-)
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              Particularly on the income verification aspect. If it's just a promise to address it going forward, that's fine. Actually, it's probably a good thing. If it means no subsidies until a system is in place, and the infrastructure/policies for that won't be online by January 1st, that would be terrible. Without the subsidy, people aren't going to sign up. I know I won't. So before I make too much of a judgment, I want to see how that plays out.

              On the other hand, even if the effect is negligible, I am quite confident the GOP will use the debt ceiling/sequestration deadlines in a few months as hostages again. Obama said they would get nothing in exchange for passing these funding bills clean. They're getting something. I am sure that's all they need to know.

      •  if we go through this again (1+ / 0-)
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        that would be the end of the republican party.
        of course the tea party will be alive and kicking -all 433 of them

      •  Really? They want to do this in 2014? (3+ / 0-)
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        pollwatcher, mmacdDE, Hey338Too

        In an election year? How do you think that would go over?

        The shutdown card can only be played once. Once you play it and it fails, you can't do it again, as Gingrich found out in 1995.

        •  This is the Tea Party we're talking about. People (1+ / 0-)
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          who have declared that they want to end gov't as we know it and were elected by people who think the same.  They're going to get a single step in the direction they want with this income verification (depending on what verification means and with the idiots in Congress it could be anything) to make ACA just that much more cumbersome.  In three months they'll ask for complete defunding of ACA and other stuff on their wish list.  Their wish list is miles long and as long as they get a single step of that, it's good for them (in their eyes - cause you know... you've got those unreasonable libtards in Congress).

      •  From the Politico story it sound like... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... the net result will be:
        1) That the debt limit will be increased to cover things until February or so.  With Jack Lew's magical "extraordinary measures", it sounds like the timing of the next debt saga will coincide roughly with the 2014 mid-terms.  The last thing the rethugs are going to want in late summer next year is for the financial class to: a) start screaming about financial Armageddon, and b) start sitting on their wallets when they really need the money.

        2) The government funding will end the day that "Son of Sequester" is supposed to start.  From the Dem's perspective (according to Politico), this deal lets the departments have more control over what gets cut when "Son of Sequester" kicks in.  From the rethugs perspective, if they don't agree to a new budget, government keeps operating but at Paul Ryan budget levels.  The problem for the rethugs, IMO, is that the "Son of Sequester" cuts will also heavily reduce a lot of military spending (while the ACA keeps on trucking - which will irk the hell out of them).  Complicating things for the rethugs, again in IMO, is that bureaucrats will control more of what's being cut because of the "Son of Sequester" rather than politicians.

        Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

        by Hey338Too on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 04:20:09 PM PDT

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    •  Once again, someone forgetting (6+ / 0-)

      Republican action is not based on rational thought. Even if the default happens, and disaster ensues, the Right will STILL use the threat of it, saying, "Hey, you saw what happened last time!"

      You think they give a shit about polls? about logic? about fiscal responsibility? about suffering?

      Wake up. Their goal is the END of the America as WE know it, and the resurrection of America as THEY imagine it once was and should be again.

      I'm just Double Tapped the hell out.

      by pajoly on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 03:24:18 PM PDT

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      •  There are still too many establishment (2+ / 0-)
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        Hey338Too, mmacdDE

        R's who depend on that $$ to let that happen.  They will join with the D's.  I really would be shocked if we go into default.  Like Chris Mathews said those millionaires and billionaires have to decide which one they love more.  Greed or hatred.  I'm guessing it's greed.  Even billionaire teaparty Zealots.  Koch Bros. are a prime example of that.

    •  right...we got a short term (3+ / 0-)
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      sharman, Boston to Salem, mmacdDE

      CR so that we are not locking in sequestor level spending cuts AND we've moved the debt limit fight almost right in the middle of election season.  Do you think R's really want to pick this same fight in February? Also, we didn't give up any Obamacare funding or changes to it. And..no cuts to SS and medicare.  All we gave up was having a discussion about whether to delay/repeal medical tax which alot of Dems want to repeal anyway.  During budget negotiations if they repeal it I don't care as long as they replace it with something that is not from WIC, meals on wheels, SS, medicare/medicaid or any other services that poor & middle class need.  I'm not mad at ALL.  This was a great deal for us. OAN we have a deal where we must appoint conferees to reconcile the house and senate budgets.  Not too bad at all.

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