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  •  Curious: how were subsidies supposed to be handled (1+ / 0-)
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    bobswern

    If there was no income verification before, then what actually stopped fraud when people applied for subsidies?

    Unlike with voting and fraud, there is a much clearer and direct incentive to lie about your income if there was no verification.

    •  Simple, the income verification happens AFTER you (1+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean

      get the subsidy (when you file your taxes for that year), not before.  If you got too much of a subsidy then you have to pay back the difference, if you didn't get enough of one then you get paid the difference.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 06:37:56 PM PDT

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      •  Sounds great (0+ / 0-)

        For under the table workers who get paid in cash a lot.

        Yup, made $10k last year, just look at my tax return...

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 08:13:10 PM PDT

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        •  Ok, so how would you handle the logistics of (1+ / 0-)
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          having to verify everything to that degree?  I doubt even the NSA could handle searching all those records (not just bank accounts but things like store loyalty cards and possibly even the contents of phone conversations) in anything close to the volume that would be required.  Not to mention do you know how many people (in millions) you would have to hire to do random home searches (including ground penetrating radar) to make sure they aren't hiding income by dealing under the table in cash and hiding it either in their homes or buried in their back yards?

          Might as well just dump the subsidies entirely since there is no way to verify all that to your standards.

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 08:23:27 PM PDT

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          •  I don't have a solution (0+ / 0-)

            I'm just pointing out a weakness.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Mon Oct 14, 2013 at 08:46:19 PM PDT

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