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  •  We stop it by voting (15+ / 0-)

    Every one of those "youngsters" out there who sat on their ass and refused to vote in 2010 and 2012 are to blame for this.  We stop this madness by telling the lazy among us that either they vote the GOP out, or there's no more government.

    The choice during an election is crystal clear now and anyone who says the two parties are the same should be openly mocked and shamed.

    •  im pretty sure it was the tea party voters (3+ / 0-)
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      who are responsible for this.  what your saying is like blaming justin beiber on people who dont listen to him.

      •  Yes, elections are just like record sales... (2+ / 0-)
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        This isn't a popularity contest.  Elections aren't to decide which House canidate is the dreamiest with the best hair or musical talent.  It's to decide who sets funding levels for things like foodstamps.

        The Tea Party set out to take over government and shut it down.  Everyone who didn't want it to happen needed to go out and vote, to make sure they didn't win.

        Because as I'm sure you've noticed, people who don't like our teabagger run gov't can't just go change the channel to get different leadership.

        Beiber has no effect or importance on those who don't listen to him.  But the teabaggers have a huge impact on those who didn't vote.

      •  Mostly yes. (1+ / 0-)
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        rabrock

        But when we all decide to vote for Dems that are old-school Republicans, we give the crazies more leverage than they might have otherwise, too. More liberal voices = more voices telling these clowns and anyone else who can hear them that they are clowns.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:28:29 AM PDT

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    •  i'm getting really sick (5+ / 0-)

      of the agism against young people I see on here.

      a) they voted in their "normal" midterm levels.

      b) they did so despite (in 2010) 45% unemployment among the young and being shackled by indentured servitude due to crushing student debt.  Frankly, it's amazing that that many young people came out to pull the level for those presiding over that in the first place.

      c) young people are not in power. young people are not the ones destroying everything. they are the victims here, if anything.

      •  Then they'll keep on being victims (4+ / 0-)
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        annominous, IARXPHD, Matt Z, rabrock

        They have one choice.  Show up and vote at 80% participation levels, or be unemployed with absolutely zero gov't help, just like the tea party wants.

        Want to be sick about it and pissed off?  Fine.  But we've reached basic survival levels here.  Fight or die.

      •  Young people vote democrat... (0+ / 0-)

        It's not their fault the crazies are here. If anybody I'd blame the baby boomers!

        "Disappointment is anger for wimps," -Dr. Gregory House

        by freakofsociety on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:16:10 AM PDT

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        •  The most conservative age cohorts currently... (0+ / 0-)

          ...are, I believe:

          1. The current elderly (ie, people who are older than most of the Baby Boomers).
          2. Gen X.

          The Baby Boomers have mostly voted in a more liberal direction, as a generation, throughout their lives. So have the Millennials, so far. Gen X is a little more conservative than the Boomers, but only on some issues (when it comes to social issues like gay and interracial marriage, every generation has been more liberal than the last). So I'm just talking about their partisan voting record.

          It actually doesn't make much sense to blame either the Boomers OR young people for Republican rule. If anyone is going to get the blame generationally, we should blame the Boomer's parents and Gen X. But really, I don't think these age cohort differences are nearly as important as many other factors, such as the rural/urban cultural divide. We can't really get old people to change the way they've voted all their lives, so we should focus on other areas.

      •  PS. Primaries (3+ / 0-)
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        Radical Moderate, bryduck, rabrock

        How did the Tea Party take over from the neocon GOP establishment.  They voted in primaries and won.

        So for your point b), young people not wanting to vote for "those presiding over that", I agree with you.  Many of those Dems were worthless Blue Dogs and other corrupt, non responsive Dems.

        The solution isn't to stay home and let the teabaggers win.  It's to vote in the primaries for more progressive candidates.

        c)  Young people can be in power, if they want to be, if they work for it.

        Apathy and surrender will not yield the results you want.  Instead, it makes the teabaggers stronger.

      •  This is OUR problem. (0+ / 0-)

        We need more voters period.

        Young people tend to vote in the big, sparkly elections, not so much the every day ones.

        Those of us who are older, calling out younger people for not voting more often are not being age discriminate.  Not at all.

        We were there.  I was there and didn't participate much and we got Bush.  Let's just say lesson learned.

        And that is all.  More of us need to vote more of the time, and that too is all.

        It is best when we all recognize it's OUR problem.  No blame, no reason to frame it away, and every reason to just start voting more.  All of us.

        As for young people not being in power...  well, self-governance puts you in power when you become of age to vote.

        Speak or be spoken for.  If you don't speak, then you live with the result of those who do.

        Call it what you like.  I prefer reality.

        ***Be Excellent To One Another***
        IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

        by potatohead on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:15:11 AM PDT

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