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  •  Yes but I wonder (9+ / 0-)

    is that constitutional? Might that not violate separation of powers?

    If Obama signed this bill maybe he should also include a signing order dismissing that part of it.

    •  Amending constitution cannot be done by (5+ / 0-)

      the congress, so WTF is this?

      "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

      by merrywidow on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:16:47 AM PDT

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    •  A signing order would make sense (0+ / 0-)

      That provision interferes with the normal operations of the Executive Branch.

      Filibuster reform, 2013 - woulda, coulda, shoulda.

      by bear83 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:38:57 AM PDT

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    •  it depends on how it does this, (0+ / 0-)

      in my opinion.  it's too hard a question to answer in the abstract.  i mean, we hit the debt limit a few months ago, and the treasury has been up to all sorts of games.  What happens the 17th is the games run out.  A law saying Treasury couldn't borrow past the debt ceiling would be the same as the debt ceiling itself.  The argument is many of the extraordinary measures might well be illegal, and if they're not, it's already in spite of Congress, so I am not sure what this particular statute would add.  If, however, Congress wanted to have greater say over who gets paid first with incoming tax revenue in the event of a default, it would be unconstitutional to the extent creditors didn't get paid first, but not unconstitutional on its face, or not any 'more' unconstitutional than what Congress is already doing.

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:47:45 AM PDT

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