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  •  I think you just want to deny a solution that (1+ / 0-)
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    just might work. Think about it.

    Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

    by 88kathy on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:30:08 AM PDT

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    •  Like trickle down economics? (4+ / 0-)
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      Because that is essentially what you are saying.

      We have more police than ever yet we need more?

      •  Because police do not use the alternative methods (0+ / 0-)

        you want. Because your solution is to reduce the police. Fire the bastard.

        My solution is to have. 7 trained and working officers in place of the bastard.

        You think if it was more difficult to replace police officers then police departments would be less likely to close ranks and protect their own.

        I think if there were too many police, the temptation to close ranks would be reduced. Face it LE is a dangerous job. The more back up the less dangerous, the more witnesses, and the less them/us mentality.

        Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

        by 88kathy on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:41:21 AM PDT

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        •  Not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs (3+ / 0-)
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          And repeatedly police escalate the situation due to poor training and supervision making situations that are not dangerous, dangerous.

          •  Poor training solved by reducing police? (0+ / 0-)

            Poor supervision solved by reducing supervisors?

               

            Policemen: 16.8
                Firefighters: 16.6
                Men: 6.9
                Women: 0.7
                Farmers and Ranchers: 37.2
                Grounds Maintenance Workers: 13.5
                Fishers and related Fishing Workers: 147.2
                Construction Laborers: 21.4
                Roofers: 33.5
                Structural Iron and Steel Workers: 61
                Operating Engineers and other Equipment Operators: 18.2
                Aircraft Pilots and Flight Engineers: 90.4
                Refuse and Recyclable Material Collectors: 40.7
                Logging: 87.4
                Mining: 28.1
                Taxi and limousine drivers: 22.1
                Truck Transportation: 27.2
            While it may be true that Refuse and Recyclable Material collectors, taxi and limousine drivers, and truck transportation worker have a higher death rate than police, could you at least consider that these people might be subjected to the higher death rate because of lack of proper traffic enforcement because of lack of personnel necessary to provide this service.

            Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

            by 88kathy on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:06:40 AM PDT

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        •  They close ranks to protect their own (3+ / 0-)

          so that there are no consequences for the officers involved and because they've been allowed to do so for years. It is institutionalized behavior, not a result of having too many or too few officers. Throwing manpower at the problem would very likely exacerbate it not resolve it.

          •  And reducing the size of those ranks would (0+ / 0-)

            solve that. The more mouths the more talk. The more eyes the more is seen.

            I don't see it your way at all.

            Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

            by 88kathy on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 10:09:21 AM PDT

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            •  I didn't suggest reducing ranks. (3+ / 0-)

              It's not zero sum. If an office is fired for any reason he should be replaced.

              Your solution doesn't work now. In instances where nine cops stood by and did nothing you seriously think everything would suddenly change if there were ten or eleven? The problem isn't numbers it's training and the environment created and allowed by police departments.

    •  I work for a living (2+ / 0-)
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      I do something valuable for a private employer.

      Every cop added to my district cuts my pay. I want as few of them as I can reasonably get away with so I can spend my salary on other things.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:49:13 AM PDT

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