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  •  When 'gang' members (2+ / 0-)
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    jpmassar, Horace Boothroyd III

    (may not be members of any actual recognized gang) get in a shoot-out with other not-actually recognized gang members around here, it usually happens in a park or neighborhood street or nightclub where police aren't present until it's over. They come because they've been called, thus have plenty of warning to bring a sidearm.

    I recall not a single instance in more than twenty years here where a police officer or group of police officers got to play the third 'gang' in a major shoot-out. By the time they get there they've got witnesses to interview, injured people to see to, and involved individuals to arrest. They are not there to contribute to flying bullets with their notoriously bad aim.

    Do police in your locality commonly involve themselves in gang shoot-outs? If so, perhaps your city manager should ask more questions while interviewing wannabe recruits to see if they've got a gang-related history.

    •  Not sure I see your point (1+ / 0-)
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      It's not about whether the police regularly get involved in gang shootouts.  It's about whether these shootouts occur, and whether people on the streets do fire guns.  We know that they do.  Asking the police to protect us from this violence, without arming the police, does not seem wise to me.

      Are you trying to say that because the police don't try to get in the crossfire of shootouts, they shouldn't have guns?  I mean, I don't get that.  Just because they don't actively fire their weapons doesn't mean they shouldn't have weapons.

      •  I haven't suggested not arming (2+ / 0-)
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        jpmassar, Horace Boothroyd III

        police. Though I agree they don't need to be militarized - if a situation needs military response, there's military available in every major city. It's called "National Guard."

        I don't know where you live, but where I live everybody and their mother can be armed if they want to be. It's entirely safe to presume that every house along the road harbors at least one gun, and I've personally seen at least 6 people just today skirting the edge of my property openly carrying guns. They skirt my property, by the way, because it's well-posted, and they presume I've got a gun too. Which I do. I've never shot a human, cop or civilian.

        There are a total of 38,000 people in my entire county, I'd wager at least three quarters of them have access to firearms. Yet the murder-by-firearm rate in the past year is about what it always is, maybe 2, sometimes 3 or 4. Usually family or feud related, as are most murders by other means. Not counting suicides by gun, though those may be technically classified as murders.

        The murder-by-firearm rate in the more populous county next door - which boasts a sizeable city - is higher, so far this year a couple of those have involved police (for whom murder was charged), plus one murder-by-cop who ran over a guy on a bicycle because 1) he was drunk, and 2) he doesn't like bicycles on "his" roads. Some bad drug deals, a nightclub shooting thought to be gang related, and the usual jilted lovers/family feuds. Less than a handful of gun deaths during robberies/home invasions, but there homeowners hold the upper hand and generally aren't charged. Oh... and one crazy 'roided out junior cop who got a whole family killed on the interstate by outrageously bad driving at over a hundred miles an hour for no reason. He is no longer a cop.

        Murder rates are down significantly all over this country. If you don't count unarmed civilians killed by cops with guns. And that's what this protest is all about, because way too many of those DON'T count.

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