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  •  Obama's motives are pure (10+ / 0-)
    The only constituency for chained CPI and other Social Security cuts is a handful of billionaires and the think tank fellows they fund.
    You make it sound as though our politicians have been corrupted by these billionaires.  Well, I want to defend president Obama on this score.  I have no doubt that his desire to give us the chained CPI is a matter of principle.  Many years from now, when he is old and grey, he wants to be able to look back on his life and say, “I was the one who cut Social Security.”
    •  Good to see the attacks on Obama (3+ / 0-)
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      are as inane as before he kicked Republican ass the last few weeks, thereby disappointing all those so certain he would stab Dems in the back.

      There is no Grtand bargain coming, but that will not stop the innumerabl,e diaries here certain taht Obama is going to destroy America.  Sounds rather familiar, except we don't allow epistemioc closure here.

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      by TomP on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 06:33:15 AM PDT

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      •  How do you know that, TomP? (27+ / 0-)

        Your flat assertion that there is no Grand Bargain coming appears to be based on nothing but wishful thinking and partisan hope.  The president has pursued his Grand Bargain like a great white whale, and as recently as three days ago repeated that he will be willing to negotiate with the other side on anything, as long as the debt ceiling and government shutdown tactics were put aside.  We heard the same BS from him about both sides having good ideas, blah blah blah.  So why do you think there's no Grand Bargain coming?  Talk about epistemic closure....

        We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

        by Dallasdoc on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 06:48:31 AM PDT

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      •  Tom, I hope you're right (16+ / 0-)

        and in the sense that I don't think Pres. Obama hasn't said specifically that he wants the chained CPI (I've never understood how "replacement" of something better with something worse means less inflation, but I'm not an economist).  But he certainly has talked up a grand bargain.  When the old "catfood commission" didn't produce a report because they couldn't get the required agreement on its conclusions, and the chairs (was it Petersen and Bowles?) put one out, I didn't hear Pres. Obama say, that report isn't relevant because they didn't get enough people to say yes to it.  That's likely where some of these feelings on our side come from.  I can tell you that's what has me concerned.

        This time, the elephant must go down. And if possible, it must be so wounded it does not get up for a long time to come. -- Andrew Sullivan, 1 October 2013

        by billlaurelMD on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 06:51:53 AM PDT

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      •  attacking O is a "pre-existing condition" (3+ / 0-)
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        doncha know? It's not going away...

        Surely it would be best if we all start lobbying now, with AFL-CIO, Harkin/Begich and Reid.

        "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

        by Sybil Liberty on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 07:02:39 AM PDT

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        •  It sure is (16+ / 0-)

          You catch it by paying attention to what he's done.

          We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

          by Dallasdoc on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 07:18:26 AM PDT

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          •  "what he's done?" (3+ / 0-)
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            I've read your laundry list many times, so we can skip that part...this diary is about the Big Three.  

            so far, the president hasn't cut earned benefits.

            Of course we're all dealing with angst, (smoke screens? poker? multi-dimensional chess?)

            but all of us haven't reached paranoia. Yet.

            "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

            by Sybil Liberty on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 07:28:06 AM PDT

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            •  Not for want of trying, of course (13+ / 0-)

              I like the automatic assumption that people who disagree with you are mentally ill.  That used to earn donuts around here.

              Your denial that the president has tried to cut SS, just because he hasn't succeeded, is tiresome and laughably desperate.  But any port in a storm, I suppose.

              We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

              by Dallasdoc on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 07:31:07 AM PDT

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              •  We're even. You're mentally ill, and we're (1+ / 0-)
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                robotic quisling sellout collaborators with Wall Street.  

                Glad the blog stayed unified for awhile at least. Welcome back to your shitty, arrogant insults, which, baby, you dispense so well.

                And the left wonders why they can't make and keep allies.

                An old ex-communist friend of mine at UCLA left the left in the end because he said "they were worse than the Birchers." I know what he meant.

                Ultimately the left will treat people who disagree with them as mentally ill, not the other way around.  

                "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

                by Wildthumb on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 03:23:07 PM PDT

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                •  Except Sybil is doing that now (1+ / 0-)
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                  ... and you're showing the same projection of attitude onto opponents we've just seen from Republicans losing on the shutdown.  You're trying to put offensive words in my mouth I didn't say, rather than arguing with my somewhat more inconvenient statements.  Have fun with your straw man.

                  This isn't about your tender feelings, sorry.  It's about trying to make sure this president doesn't trot out chained-CPI and his other terrible ideas in the window of trying to reach a budget deal with Republicans.  In that context I really don't give a shit about your feelings, because they're not important in the political context.  You want to support the president whatever he wants to pull?  Fine.  But Larry Summers isn't the Fed chief nominee because people told the president up front he wasn't going to fly.  We need to do the same thing right now about his Grand Bargain fetish, before he trots it out again.

                  We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

                  by Dallasdoc on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 04:30:57 PM PDT

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            •  You assume it's coming, too, then (4+ / 0-)

              and you just haven't reached "paranoia"?


              Yet.
              When does that hit you? When it actually happens and it's too late to stop it?  

              This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

              by lunachickie on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 08:58:32 AM PDT

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              •  I just checked my DFH handbook (1+ / 0-)
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                and nowhere does it endorse tarring and feathering the suspect before a crime has been committed. But you go right ahead. Have at it.

                Actually, I am spending my time calling D.C. in an effort to stop it before it's too late. Every morning, right after I brush my teeth.

                "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

                by Sybil Liberty on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:18:42 AM PDT

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            •  Just because his attempts have been thwarted (9+ / 0-)

              doesn't mean he suddenly wants to kill chained CPI and expand SS.

              When he comes out publicly against SS cuts and supports raising the cap and increasing benefits for lower income seniors, the public will believe him.

              In the meantime, though, he settles for sending his minions out on the internet to try to convince everyone he really doesn't want to cut SS.  If that's true, he should call a press conference and say so.

              "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

              by Betty Pinson on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:18:00 AM PDT

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      •  The only reason you are getting these diaries (19+ / 0-)

        is the parade of Democrats clamoring for entitlement reform even before the deal was struck.  

        They started it.  Somebody from Majority Report was on MSNBC last night and he used the AFL-CIO as an example, they have diverted the efforts of progressives from their enthusiasm of defeating the Tea Party in 2014 to defending Social Security and they did that in less than 24 hours.

        We're not fundraising.  We're not volunteering.  We're calling Congress to stop them from cutting Social Security.

        •  THIS ^^^^^ (6+ / 0-)
          The only reason you are getting these diaries is the parade of Democrats clamoring for entitlement reform even before the deal was struck.  
          These people didn't think we'd notice, and we did. And they don't like it, so they've sent out the spin (dutifully reported here) in the hopes we'll all back off:  
          It appears the Grand Bargain is dead, at least for now
          captures the very essence of the concept of weasel-wording. Qualifiers to a scenario that we're to stop paying attention to.

          Don't count on it, because that ain't gonna happen.

          This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

          by lunachickie on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:06:00 AM PDT

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      •  He created this mess himself (10+ / 0-)

        He's the one who got the ball rolling with the Cat Food Commission.  He's the one who has helped push the lies to the public about SS and the deficit.

        He owns this, he has to face the criticism.  When it comes to protecting starving grannies vs. Obama's hurt feelings, I'll take the side of the starving grannies.

        "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

        by Betty Pinson on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:14:53 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly. Gee, the alignment here against the GOP (0+ / 0-)

        was great, and it would be great to take back the House in 2014, but here it is two days later, and the diaries and comments from the usual suspects have the megaphone again. Nice while it lasted, but I'm sure they were chomping at the bit to drown this blog in their superior comments. They don't care about a unified front against the right. As a matter of fact, they've even said that the right is irrelevant compared to the excoriation of the Democratic president.

        They're right, they have the truth, and they're going to shout it from a five-hundred-mile-high horse.

        It was nice to see the knee-jerk left here muted for awhile. We needed the unity and the break. They offer no unity but to themselves: about I'd say two hundred souls here in all. I'd like to see what the majority think around here.

        I'd like to know how much hate is on the left for Obama vis-a-vis the right. I'd wager they're close.

        And we have to listen to the same bunch go after Hillary with a hellish tear. And I mean hellish with intense relish. I can hardly wait. They despise the Clintons even more, and am sure they'd love to primary Hillary from the get-go. Stay tuned.

        "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

        by Wildthumb on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 03:15:09 PM PDT

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    •  It is so difficult to decide what is snark on dkos (2+ / 0-)
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      but this is, right?

      I have no doubt that his desire to give us the chained CPI is a matter of principle

      In our 13th year of war in Afghanistan, for every soldier who came home in a box to Dover Mortuary, "God bless the cause for which he died."

      by allenjo on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 06:51:23 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, my comment was snark (8+ / 0-)

        But the assertion you quote is true.  Obama is a true believer.  He genuinely wants to reduce spending on the entitlements, because he thinks that would be a good thing.  There is no ulterior motive, not the billionaires’ money, not the good opinion of historians, not the need to have a legacy he can be proud of.  He simply believes it would be the right thing to do.

        And that is why he is so relentless in pushing that thrice-cursed chained CPI.

        •  the president who is committed to the (8+ / 0-)

          greatest military in the world, from a speech he gave a few months back, but who has cuts to social security in his budget, begs the question as to what his principles are.

          The poorest among us to share in the sacrifice to keep the US military the most expensive in the world makes him a true believer of what, and at the expense of the neediest?

          Do we hear the president or any in congress, other than perhaps Bernie Sanders, speak of the highest poverty level in decades in this country and what to do about it?

          Or the income inequality also at highest level in decades?

          In our 13th year of war in Afghanistan, for every soldier who came home in a box to Dover Mortuary, "God bless the cause for which he died."

          by allenjo on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 08:47:09 AM PDT

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