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  •  Democrats win on politics, Republicans on policy (2+ / 0-)
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    madtownpopulist, corvo

    Peter Beinart made the same point.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

    They're both right.

    "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

    by Paleo on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 11:31:07 AM PDT

    •  IN the short term maybe (0+ / 0-)

      However, in the long term, it remains to be seen.  If the GOP loses the next election and goes into 2016 in complete chaos then the Dems can reverse course and start pulling the country in a more progressive direction.  If that were to happen then all this sound and fury by the GOP would have resulted in them not winning but losing on policy as well.    

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 11:33:06 AM PDT

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      •  The short term is bad enough (3+ / 0-)
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        In the meantime, not only do they win on policy, but they keep dragging the window further and further to the right.  

        "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

        by Paleo on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 11:35:59 AM PDT

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        •  In the short term maybe (0+ / 0-)

          but there will be a snap back.  The more they push to the right, the more violent and sharp the snap back will be.  It's hard to see because we're living in the daily gyrations of history but it's happening right in front of our eyes.  I'm not even thoroughly convinced they win in the short run.  Sequester wasn't all that bad.  The military also got cut and the next round is going to fall more heavily on the military than anything else.  Other parts of it can be restored if not today very likely within 15 months.  I realize that's small consolation now but in 15 months it'll be a distant memory and the overton window will be further left than it is now.

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 12:20:47 PM PDT

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