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  •  There's an incredibly simple way out (1+ / 0-)
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    You ask:
     

    If Boehner no longer can control the flow of business to the house floor, then I don't see how we avoid default.
    The answer is the discharge petition. If 17 or 18 Republicans would just sign the petition, then the house has to vote on the Senate's no-strings-attached, re-open the government bill, no matter what Boehner or the Rules Committee say.

    I believe the same is true of the debt ceiling -if fewer than 2 dozen Republicans actually want to avoid default, all they have to do is join a discharge petition to force a straight, no-strings-attached vote on avoiding default.

    I really don't buy the notion that it's an extreme band within the Republican caucus that is forcing this.  It's all of them. Every single one.  

    Not one Republican has the courage to just sign the damn discharge petition and end this hostage situation already.   Not one.

    "Journalistic conventions make it hard for reporters to deal with a big, complicated lie." -- Michael Kinsley.

    by dcg2 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 07:55:03 PM PDT

    •  nope (0+ / 0-)

      the bill has to languish in committee for 30 days before any discharge petition can be filed.

      we're boned.

      anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

      by chopper on Tue Oct 15, 2013 at 09:22:40 PM PDT

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    •  No, House ReThugs changed the rules Sept 30. (3+ / 0-)
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      The existing rule re discharge petition was:

      When the stage of disagreement has been reached on a bill or resolution with House or Senate amendments, a motion to dispose of any amendment shall be privileged.
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      That means (when) the chambers are deadlocked and any member trying to break the deadlock would be able to do so—would have privilege to do so. Except that in this case, for this continuing resolution only, Republicans changed the rule.

      They did it on the night of September 30, the eve of the shutdown, in a Rules Committee meeting. The rule change said that any motion to take up the Senate bill "may be offered only by the majority Leader or his designee." Meaning only Eric Cantor or with his approval. Which wasn't going to happen.

      Above from Joan McCarter's Oct 10 post.

      This post has background of House rule change then video of Rep Van Hollen's Oct 12 attempting discharge petition.

      "H. Res 368 changed the Standing Rules of the House of Representatives  last week to prevent anyone who wasn't the Speaker Majority Leader or his designee from bringing the petition up for a vote, thus guaranteeing Democrats had no way to stop the shutdown.

      On October 12, 2013 the Democrats tried to end the Shut Down and learned that Bohener changed the rules, which you can watch in this video:

      Chris Van Hollen, a Democrat, tried to end the Government Shutdown with a Discharge Petition on October 12, 2013, only to learn that the House rules had been changed.

      As of 9pm 8/30/13: RETIRED Pie Warrior. Substance over Sh*t Flinging (as best as I am able) ~ JV

      by JVolvo on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 01:46:38 AM PDT

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