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  •  There may be some scientific validity (0+ / 0-)

    to be found in eugenics, but NONE of what was published in the early 20th century was sound.

    Politics means controlling the balance of economic and institutional power. Everything else is naming post offices.

    by happymisanthropy on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 10:38:07 AM PDT

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    •  Denying eugenics is denying natural selection. (1+ / 0-)
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      Please don't actually go anti-science here. The theoretical core of eugenics is as firmly established as science can be.

      As for what was published in the early 20th century, I couldn't say--I'm not a scientific historian.

      * "Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect all who seek it." - Frank Herbert * (-9.38; -8.15)

      by Selphinea on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 10:57:29 AM PDT

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    •  If you don't let the mentally disabled have (0+ / 0-)
      There may be some scientific validity (0+ / 0-)
      to be found in eugenics, but NONE of what was published in the early 20th century was sound.
      children then over time you will have fewer mentally disabled people.

      There was plenty of stuff along those lines published in the early 20th century and, as mental disability is often genetic, it is incontrovertibly true.

      •  The drawback is that you may have fewer geniuses. (0+ / 0-)

        By removing the results on one end of the curve, you may reduce overall variation, depending on the biological basis for both. Eugenics is something to be practiced only with great caution.

        * "Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect all who seek it." - Frank Herbert * (-9.38; -8.15)

        by Selphinea on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 10:20:00 PM PDT

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        •  Can you provide any evidence that this is likely? (0+ / 0-)

          Why would removing variability at the bottom end of the curve affect the top end?

          •  Men are more likely to be geniuses than women, (1+ / 0-)
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            but also more likely to be intellectually disabled.

            People with bipolar disorder are more likely to have high IQs, but also more likely to have low IQs.

            Schizophrenia is more common in people with low IQs, but the DARPP-32 gene variant correlated with schizophrenia is also much more common in creative geniuses than in the general population. They simply don't present with clinical symptoms--though they do score highly on the schizotypy scale.

            The human body is a very complex system. Some disabilities may actually be advantages when combined with the right traits.

            * "Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect all who seek it." - Frank Herbert * (-9.38; -8.15)

            by Selphinea on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 01:26:05 AM PDT

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