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  •  It tells you haw far out the teapublicans are (17+ / 0-)

    when Peter freaking King is considered reasonable.  Muslim hearings, anyone?

    Shutdown, Schmutdown. Hey Teaparty, I got your funding right here!

    by filby on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 07:04:08 AM PDT

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    •  One facet of this Big Picture, long-term, (10+ / 0-)

      is for the Whackadoodle wing to be so outrageous that they make the really bad guys--like Peter King--sound reasonable.

      Of course this shit isn't over. They're already planning Shutdown II--Revenge. Mr. Obama did the right thing in the short-term, but will he in the long term? Or does he still think he has to get the bipartisany Grand Bargain that guys like the Koch Brothers and their minions are still salivating over?

      Lots of possibilities here yet. So yes, stop laughing. Big time. Because these fuckers were all just cornered, and that is when rabid animals are the most dangerous.

      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

      by lunachickie on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 07:55:34 AM PDT

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      •  Its sad that really good guys like President Obama (5+ / 0-)

        and Senator Dick Durbin really believe that the way to "fix" Social Security is to @#$k it up.

        NO means testing!  NO increase in the retirement age!  NO "chained CPI!"

        It is okay, however, to cut defense spending.

        Shutdown, Schmutdown. Hey Teaparty, I got your funding right here!

        by filby on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 08:03:23 AM PDT

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        •  We have to know WHY (3+ / 0-)
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          such good guys really believe this.

          And we must--must--keep pounding this message to their faxes, their phones and their emails--by the millions--until they understand that we damned well mean it:

          NO means testing!  NO increase in the retirement age!  NO "chained CPI!"

          This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

          by lunachickie on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 08:06:47 AM PDT

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        •  i consider myself very liberal (2+ / 0-)
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          but I don't really see the problem with very wealthy people not receiving social security? maybe I'm misunderstanding ... ?

          personally I think the cap on social security tax should be raised (if not eliminated entirely)

          •  The cap should (5+ / 0-)

            be higher. It can't be eliminated altogether, but it needs to be higher. That will keep it solvent for the next hundred years. This Chained CPI is bullshit sleight-of-hand accounting and that needs to be emphasized over and over again.

            Such a simple thing--raising the cap on earnings. Yet not one Serious Person in DC seems to be able to wrap their brain around  it. The time to school them starts now.

            This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

            by lunachickie on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 10:20:21 AM PDT

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          •  Because as long as everyone is receiving it (0+ / 0-)

            It can't be classified as "welfare." It's already weighted so that the rich get less.

            But yes, the cap does need to go up or be removed entirely. And capital gains need to be taxed at the same rate as income.

          •  Means testing fails both theory and practice. (0+ / 0-)

            It is a hardcore political reality in America that "welfare" programs get cut.

            Means testing Social Security turns it into a "welfare" program.  That's the theory.

            The practice is that it also drives up overhead.  There is no need to add sand to the gears.

            The bonus is that means testing is also not required to make the program solvent.  Simply raise the limit on income which is subject to the cap.  Makes it less regressive.

            -7.75 -4.67

            "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

            There are no Christians in foxholes.

            by Odysseus on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 02:50:02 PM PDT

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      •  I"m not worried (1+ / 0-)
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        Each time they try this, it's going to get multiples worse for them. and the president knows it and so do many Republicans in Congress. We need to stop wetting our pants about "grand bargains" and shit like that and ALWAYS believing we will lose in the end.

        Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

        by anastasia p on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 08:31:51 AM PDT

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        •  That's not what is going on here (1+ / 0-)
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          and people need to stop comparing it to "pants wetting". I'll strain politeness and call that a deliberate mis-read.

          Nobody is saying "we always lose". Some of us are going to continue to put these Leaders on notice RIGHT NOW that Chained CPI is unacceptable.

          You obviously don't take that as seriously as others do. That's your prerogative. But if you don't like it, well, that's just too damned bad for you. We don't need to "stop" pointing that out. We need to "keep" pointing out until THEY take it off the fucking table. This is not negotiable.

          This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

          by lunachickie on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 10:27:14 AM PDT

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      •  it's important to start positioning for the next (1+ / 0-)
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        shutdown fight immediately. it must be framed from the very start that any shutdown of the government is because of the House Republicans. it doesn't hurt that this is obviously 100% true.

        I really just can't imagine the public having any patience for them doing this again.

        •  Yes--and as part of that positioning, (0+ / 0-)

          it needs to be made very clear that Chained CPI must be taken off the table. Now.
           

          This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

          by lunachickie on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 10:17:05 AM PDT

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