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  •  Oh, damn, we sure as hell don't want to (1+ / 0-)
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    greenbell

    sound rude!

    Look, any way you slice it, it's beyond stupid to offer up cuts to SS as part of the budget negotiations, no matter how freaking improbable it is that Republicans will accept the conditions Reid outlined.

    You think Ma and Pa Kettle are versed in the nuance of Reid's argument?

    Answer: No, they aren't. All that those who aren't steeped in the arcane dance of negotiation, Washington style, is that the Dems are willing to cut SS benefits if millionaires pay a few more bucks in taxes.

    Yesterday the Dems stood firm against extortion. Today they set on down the path of depressing midterm election enthusiasm.

    What a bunch of fucking amateurs.

    I was wrong. I was certain Obama and Reid would grant major concessions to get the debt ceiling raised. My mistake was relying upon five years of empirical evidence of cave after cave. In this instance, it appears that blind faith was the smart bet.

    by WisePiper on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 06:15:55 PM PDT

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    •  This fretting was wrong in 2011 and wrong now. (1+ / 0-)
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      I remember when it was the items "on the table" in the 2011 debt ceiling talks that were going to screw the Democrats in the 2012 elections.

      How'd that work out?

      The very lack of "nuance" among Ma and Pa Kettle is exactly why those predictions of dooooooooooom never panned out. Insider baseball about negotiating feints that never turn into policy don't matter to people who aren't political junkies.

      Your concern wouldn't be wholly unreasonable, if it hadn't already been demonstrated to be baseless.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 09:07:59 PM PDT

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      •  2012 vs. 2014? (1+ / 0-)
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        Wrong comparison, Joe. Look at midterm vs. midterm. 2010 was a freaking blood bath. One of the reasons for depressed turnout (aside from the historically predictable lesser participation) was that the Dems dashed the voters' expectation that Obama's election would usher in a 180 turn away from the failed economic policies of the Bush administration.

        I'm not going to recite the manifest lost opportunities of Obama's first two years - we either acknowledge them and chart a different course leading up to this midterm, or we pretend the last five years have been just peachy keen, and watch the voters tell us differently in November 2014.

        I was wrong. I was certain Obama and Reid would grant major concessions to get the debt ceiling raised. My mistake was relying upon five years of empirical evidence of cave after cave. In this instance, it appears that blind faith was the smart bet.

        by WisePiper on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 02:25:12 AM PDT

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        •  Way to change the subject. I'm changing it back. (0+ / 0-)

          I don't know if you remember, but before you decided to go into this generic anti-Obama tap dance, you were talking about the effect that discussing entitlement cuts would have on subsequent elections.

          And, once again, the effort of the 2011 debt ceiling discussions on the next elections was bupkis.

          Oh, btw, I read your new sign line, and you know what is says?

          "I was right to be wrong because I was wrong for the right reasons, while you were wrong to be right, because you were right for the wrong reasons," just like the Iraq War pundits.

          Congratulations.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 01:29:01 PM PDT

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