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  •  No it's not the closest (6+ / 0-)
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    I can think of numerous things that we could change that would make it more impartial. One: Change election day to a holiday and pay jurors $40 an hour for their time. And get rid of most drug laws.

    •  eh none of that is the police's fault though (0+ / 0-)

      Der Weg ist das Ziel

      by duhban on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 08:14:08 PM PDT

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      •  But it's still part of the institution n/t (3+ / 0-)
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        •  a completely separate part though (0+ / 0-)

          That's like blaming Bob cause John punched you in the face.

          You want those things to happen? Then you need to elect people to do so not blame the police.

          Der Weg ist das Ziel

          by duhban on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 08:22:25 PM PDT

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          •  No, not seperate part (3+ / 0-)
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            The laws enforced are the core part of what the police do. The laws enforced are the entire reason the police exist.

            •  and this is where I lose you (1+ / 0-)
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              because yes I get that but the fundamental balance and check against the police is they don't get to decide what those laws will or will not be.

              The police didn't decide that pot should be illegal and beer shouldn't be. That was the legislative aspect of government.

              :sigh: I really just don't understand how you can't see that.

              Der Weg ist das Ziel

              by duhban on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 08:40:55 PM PDT

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              •  So then what stops the police from (2+ / 0-)
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                "just following orders"?

                I mean, we could totally set up a legal framework for genocide in the US. We have before. By your rationalization the police should just ignore the immoral aspects of the law because it's their job. Were the cops that rounded up the Japanese sent to internment camps acting morally?

                •  I know I said I was walking away (0+ / 0-)

                  and really I am I just wanted to answer this question really quickly as I think it's important.

                  Like any institution that requires following orders any police officer at any time can claim an order is unlawful. If it's an unlawful order then they don't have to follow it. Of course iiit's a lot more messy then that but there's always been an 'out' for such things.

                  Of course some orders are easier to show they are unlawful then others but it's not like police are some unthinking entity fixated on breaking some heads.

                  If you want to respond to that, by all means but now I reall am walking away. You stay well.

                  Der Weg ist das Ziel

                  by duhban on Thu Oct 17, 2013 at 09:25:16 PM PDT

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