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  •  links? (2+ / 0-)
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    zenbassoon, 3goldens

    for a chained CPI proposal that only applies to the benefits of the comfortable/wealthy?

    I thought both supporters and naysayers of Obama accepted that he had proposed chained CPI to apply to determining all SS inflation-related benefit increases. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

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    by eparrot on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:31:19 AM PDT

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    •  Oh man. I spend a lot of time on the Internet (2+ / 0-)
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      or listening to NPR.  I couldn't begin to tell you where I read things.  I know the chained-CPI was from an interview or speech, so Obama said it didn't affect low-income retirees and that his preference was to chain CPI for people not dependent on SS for survival, and only if the base benefit were raised to keep seniors out of poverty.  The Medicare changes are from his speeches too.  He included outcome-based hospital ratings into ACA changes to Medicare and hospitals are already changing policies to tighten up re-admissions numbers and infection numbers.  The FICA cap changes came from Senate Dems doing some back room negotiating about how to deal with the budget once Republicans were forced into negotiating that instead of the endless CR's, and I've heard Obama talk about doing something there when he talks about income inequality and paying a fair share.  

      It's prolly all on the WH website.  I read transcripts of most of his speeches because I'm going to be in deep shit if SS is cut in any way.  I'm writing to various Senators whenever they support raising base benefits.  You don't want to be around me on grocery shopping days, or the week before my deposit hits the bank.  Fear is not attractive.  

      My bottom line with earned benefits is I trust the guy who strengthens the safety net every time out.  And I'm really getting pissed at the fear-mongering that goes on here.  It 's cruel to claim horrible things are happening with no data to back it up, especially after 5 years of being dead-ass wrong.  

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      by I love OCD on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:06:58 AM PDT

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      •  Hmm (0+ / 0-)

        Although I vaguely remember something about Obama saying we would raise the base benefits, I haven't ever seen anything where he was as specific as you say. I think he was purposefully vague.

        I generally find myself in between the fear-mongerers and the people calling them fear-mongerers. IMO Obama blew both the healthcare debate and the stimulus by pre-emptively starting with what his supposed final position was. Now, maybe with the stimulus, he actually believed Larry Summers and didn't think the stimulus should be bigger, but with Obamacare, the whole debate happened far right of where it needed to. I'm convinced we would have a public option if he hadn't. I think he did poorly tactically in the last debt ceiling fight as well.

        However, I would agree that in addition to the unnecessary shrillness, the fear-mongerers sound as if more were possible than actually was.  Plus, it seems like Obama has learned from those mistakes I mentioned.

        It's possible to make impassioned defenses for strengthening social security, including not supporting any sorts of cuts, without having to call Obama --insert your expletive here--. That's the approach I prefer to take.

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        by eparrot on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 02:03:55 PM PDT

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        •  I think we'd have a Public Option (0+ / 0-)

          if the Supreme Court hadn't allowed states to bail out of the Medicaid expansion .  In typical Obama fashion he chose not to fight the propagandists head-on, just create the same thing with a different name.  He spoke about that numerous times, no one listened.  

          It's odd to me that Progressives, people who ought to be the savvy ones, miss so much of what he's saying and doing.  If he was being Bush-macho he'd be believable I guess, even though we mocked Bush's brashness.  

          His intimations that he's "concerned" about entitlement spending have emboldened the Republicans enough to actually say out loud and in writing that SS and Medicare should be privatized, or even ended altogether.  That's pretty sneaky given that Bush was utterly rejected a mere 8 years ago for trying that shit.  He suckers them into doing what he wants people to see them doing, and we wail and gnash our teeth instead of laughing at them.  

          If Obama wanted the safety net gutted he's had several opportunities to do it, most recently this month.  The fact that he hasn't harmed SS and has greatly enhanced Medicare should be a clue.  The Medicaid expansion should be a giant wakeup call.  Why it isn't baffles me.  It seems to me that there's a faction of Progressives who revel in potential betrayal and victimization and they get way too much attention.  What counts isn't some diarist's interpretation of his left eyebrow's twist when he uses the word entitlements, what counts is what he's actually done: strengthened the entire safety net more than anyone since FDR.  

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:26:40 AM PDT

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    •  The only exception to that were means tested (0+ / 0-)

      benefits.  That means SSI would not use the chained CPI, however SSDI would.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:36:19 AM PDT

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