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    Although I vaguely remember something about Obama saying we would raise the base benefits, I haven't ever seen anything where he was as specific as you say. I think he was purposefully vague.

    I generally find myself in between the fear-mongerers and the people calling them fear-mongerers. IMO Obama blew both the healthcare debate and the stimulus by pre-emptively starting with what his supposed final position was. Now, maybe with the stimulus, he actually believed Larry Summers and didn't think the stimulus should be bigger, but with Obamacare, the whole debate happened far right of where it needed to. I'm convinced we would have a public option if he hadn't. I think he did poorly tactically in the last debt ceiling fight as well.

    However, I would agree that in addition to the unnecessary shrillness, the fear-mongerers sound as if more were possible than actually was.  Plus, it seems like Obama has learned from those mistakes I mentioned.

    It's possible to make impassioned defenses for strengthening social security, including not supporting any sorts of cuts, without having to call Obama --insert your expletive here--. That's the approach I prefer to take.

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    by eparrot on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 02:03:55 PM PDT

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    •  I think we'd have a Public Option (0+ / 0-)

      if the Supreme Court hadn't allowed states to bail out of the Medicaid expansion .  In typical Obama fashion he chose not to fight the propagandists head-on, just create the same thing with a different name.  He spoke about that numerous times, no one listened.  

      It's odd to me that Progressives, people who ought to be the savvy ones, miss so much of what he's saying and doing.  If he was being Bush-macho he'd be believable I guess, even though we mocked Bush's brashness.  

      His intimations that he's "concerned" about entitlement spending have emboldened the Republicans enough to actually say out loud and in writing that SS and Medicare should be privatized, or even ended altogether.  That's pretty sneaky given that Bush was utterly rejected a mere 8 years ago for trying that shit.  He suckers them into doing what he wants people to see them doing, and we wail and gnash our teeth instead of laughing at them.  

      If Obama wanted the safety net gutted he's had several opportunities to do it, most recently this month.  The fact that he hasn't harmed SS and has greatly enhanced Medicare should be a clue.  The Medicaid expansion should be a giant wakeup call.  Why it isn't baffles me.  It seems to me that there's a faction of Progressives who revel in potential betrayal and victimization and they get way too much attention.  What counts isn't some diarist's interpretation of his left eyebrow's twist when he uses the word entitlements, what counts is what he's actually done: strengthened the entire safety net more than anyone since FDR.  

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      by I love OCD on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:26:40 AM PDT

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