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  •  And President Obama made sure (39+ / 0-)

    that Social Security and Medicare were outside of the sequester, but you'd never know that around here.  I think there were many errors by the President and our side in 2011, and one was believing the sequester would have an in terroem effect and lead to a deal, but one good decision was protecting the Big Three from Republicans in the sequester.

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    by TomP on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:16:08 AM PDT

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    •  And, lest it fall down the memory-hole (12+ / 0-)

      the sequester plan was put forth thinking it would force agreement to a Grand Bargain, which had SS & Medicare on the table.

      Even in the President's post-agreement comments, 'reform Social Security and Medicare to keep them viable' were at the top of his list of things to accomplish.

      Of course, the 'reform' we need to protect the safety net is simply Jobs, and then Jobs, and then Jobs, and after that Jobs. Throw in raising the cap on SS and a transaction tax on Wall Street gambling, and everything is paid for.

      Can't do it now?, run on that, put it in place in 2015.

      Ending the Eternal War, which has a boot abroad and a boot at home, and which is in fact the sum of our debt and deficits -- ain't nobody in Conventional DC talking about that.

      Yet.


      Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

      by Jim P on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:36:20 AM PDT

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      •  It's a simple solution (3+ / 0-)
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        one that would be easy for Obama & Reid to pursue.

        "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

        by Betty Pinson on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:51:38 AM PDT

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      •  and (5+ / 0-)
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        Love this;

        Throw in raising the cap on SS and a transaction tax on Wall Street gambling, and everything is paid for.
        And would add means testing--- for farm subsidies.

        Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. John Kenneth Galbraith .

        by melvynny on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:57:17 AM PDT

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      •  This! (3+ / 0-)
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        Throw in raising the cap on SS and a transaction tax on Wall Street gambling, and everything is paid for.
        Unfortunately those are both unspeakable solutions inside the beltway.  Running on them would presumably be immensely popular, but also unthinkable.  

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 11:15:09 AM PDT

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        •  Regardless, they are necessary. (4+ / 0-)
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          The Beltway needs its bubble popped. And Democratic rank-and-file are just the ones to do it, instead of nodding agreement to whatever the heck the Centrist fools are thinking.


          Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

          by Jim P on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 01:57:32 PM PDT

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          •  That's why we need (4+ / 0-)
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            to nominate Elizabeth Warren for president.

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 02:10:07 PM PDT

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            •  Ms. Warren Vs. Ms. Clinton (4+ / 0-)
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              would make for a very interesting primary, and the opposite of a clown car primary.

              While I'll certainly vote for Hillary if she decides to run and becomes the candidate, I'm not comfortable with the idea that this is all pre-ordained. I'd like to look at more choices, and Elizabeth Warren would be at the top of my list.

              I know many Democrats might say she's too "left" but when did that ever stop the republicans when someone's too "right?" Progressives should actively promote and encourage their flank to run for the presidency. The primaries are a great platform to get our ideas across, and I'd like to see a voice to the left of Hillary have that platform. I think Elizabeth Warren would be a stunning run to watch. And well, you never know...Hillary was supposedly pre-ordained once before.  

              "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

              by StellaRay on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 04:19:56 PM PDT

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            •  Warren isn't running for president, and never will (0+ / 0-)

              Brian Schweitzer, who pushed for single payer, IS running for president in 2016, or is signalling he will:

              Add another name to the short list of Democrats seriously considering a run for president in 2016.

              In an interview with RealClearPolitics, former Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer indicated that he may launch a White House bid, even if front-runner Hillary Clinton also enters the race.

              “I still hold the people of Iowa and New Hampshire in high regard,” Schweitzer said of the nation’s first caucus and primary states. “The people of Iowa are a whole lot like the people of Montana. And, of course, New Hampshire’s a lot like Montana. We don’t have a sales tax. ‘Live Free or Die’ -- we understand that notion in Montana.”

              A popular two-term governor who once used a red-hot branding iron to veto several bills passed by the Republican-controlled state legislature, Schweitzer would offer a hefty dose of rural folksiness against the East Coast urbanites in the potential Democratic field, including Clinton, Vice President Joe Biden, and Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley.

        •  Then we need to get (3+ / 0-)
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          someone more interested in getting things done than in kowtowing to the beltway mentality to propose it.

          I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

          by trumpeter on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 02:47:38 PM PDT

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      •  Well, if the professional politician said so... (0+ / 0-)

        the we should probably just assume he was being up front with us, and not just posturing for effect.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 04:12:47 PM PDT

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        •  That it's repeatedly on the table is what matters. (0+ / 0-)

          That it's on the table opens the Overton Window, and in a rightwing direction. It makes hollow the Democratic notion that the safety net is untouchable. It simultaneously discomforts and discourages Democratic voters, and those who should be such in their own interests.

          That it's more about intent than optics is proven by the President's Erskine-Bowles Commission; that he created it when even Congress refused to do so; he then appointed people who had been saying -- loudly and often -- for decades that we need to cut the safety net.

          He could have as easily appointed people who wanted to cut back corporate giveaways, tax breaks, useless military programs, etc., while favoring higher benefits for Social Security. But he chose notorious enemies of the Safety Net. The Republicans did not make him do that.

          Those he choose: What? By accident? Threw darts at names on the wall?

          Then, when the Commission would not endorse the recommendations of the Chairs, the President still touted, repeatedly, their work.

          This is what a politician has done. In this case, it's in complete harmony with what he says, and says repeatedly.


          Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

          by Jim P on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 07:11:29 PM PDT

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          •  Do you have any evidence that's happened? (0+ / 0-)

            I've been hearing this theory for years. Surely, if there is anything to it, then there should be some public polling data to indicate that such a shift is happening.

            I notice that your evidence for your theory about President Obama's intend includes not a single substantive policy change Obama has made, but rather, a Blue Ribbon Commission. Most people understand that the creation of a Blue Ribbon Commission to Study the Issue is what political leaders do when they want to appear to be taking an issue seriously without actually doing anything about it.

            When it comes to substantive acts taken in the area of entitlement cuts, there have been three that stand out:

            The expansion of Medicaid under the ACA;

            The elimination of the Medicare Advantage Subsidies under the ACA;

            The protection of Social Security and Medicare benefits from the sequester cuts.

            The massive import for Blue Ribbon Commissions aside, that is not the record of someone acting with the intent to cut entitlement benefits.

            Rule of thumb: when you're trying to understand a political figure, or anyone else for that matter, look past the symbolic public posturing, and focus on what they've actually done. Otherwise, you're liable to end up being conned.

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 06:32:20 AM PDT

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    •  Link? (4+ / 0-)

      We've yet to hear Obama claim SS & Medicare cuts are "off the table".  

      If what you say is true, why hasn't he made a public statement confirming it?

      "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 09:49:32 AM PDT

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