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  •  Well, not necessarily (11+ / 0-)

    It depends on what the church is doing. When they send a letter to their parishes just before an election ordering  the priests to tells parishioners that they must vote according to who opposes abortion and gay marriage and ONLY on those issues, they get dangerously close to crossing the line.

    Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

    by anastasia p on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 07:41:32 PM PDT

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    •  when they're (13+ / 0-)

      telling Congress what to put in bills and how to vote, that's over the line.
      They need to be told that the First Amendment protects the country from their power, as much as it protects their opinions from the power of others. We don't have the kinds of laws that used to exist to protect the clerics from the consequences of their own crimes.

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 07:45:30 PM PDT

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    •  I have Catholic relatives who are now Republicans (11+ / 0-)

      just because of the Church's stand on abortion.  They used to be Democrats and involved in the Democratic party but not anymore.  The Catholic church is interfering in the political process by convincing people who to vote for and which party to belong to.  The church should lose its tax exempt status over this.

      •  That's why they can't let this issue be solved. (1+ / 0-)
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        Abortion remains legal because many people believe that personhood begins at birth. In the 40 years since the Roe v. Wade decision was handed down, the antiabortionists have not made a serious and respectful effort to persuade these people that their belief is wrong. Instead, they have asserted as proof that "It's obvious to us," and used that assertion to insult everyone who disagrees.

        We're at the point where the antiabortionists should deal with the accusation that they want to keep the issue alive because if they were able to end (and not just outlaw) abortions, then many "Reagan Democrats" would return to voting their economic interests.

        If they have a genuine proof that personhood begins at conception, they should be told to take it out of the desk drawer and show it to everyone. If they don't have anything, they should be made to admit it.

        Freedom's just another word for not enough to eat. --Paul Krugman's characterization of conservative attitudes.

        by Judge Moonbox on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 06:40:27 AM PDT

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    •  How, exactly is that NOT crossing the line? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      by Bud Fields on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 11:45:09 PM PDT

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