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  •  asdf (8+ / 0-)

    "Extremists in both parties"?  Perhaps you'd like to provide examples for the Democrats?

    •  Patty Murray (all three feet of her) is a beast!.. (0+ / 0-)


    •  You beat me to the punch (8+ / 0-)

      President is essentially equating Bernie S w/ Ted Cruz.   He's essentially equating Alan Grayson w/ Louie  Gohmert.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall either Bernie or Grayson consciously trying to put Uncle Sam's full faith and credit at risk.

      As per Pierce:

      More important, he's still arguing for an economic compromise in the context of continuing austerity. He talked about tax reform without tax increases. He talked about jobs without mentioning stimulus. And what he said about "entitlements" sent a cold chill down my spine since it was exactly what Paul Ryan would say. Which is what happens when you conclude that " creating a budget" is not an "ideological exercise."

      Now, the good news is the legislation I signed yesterday now requires Congress to do exactly that, what it could have been doing all along. And we shouldn't approach this process of creating a budget as an ideological exercise, just cutting for the sake of cutting. The issue's not growth versus fiscal responsibility. We need both. We need a budget that deals with the issues that most Americans are focused on, creating more good jobs that pay better wages. And remember, the deficit is getting smaller, not bigger. It's going down faster than it has in the last 50 years. The challenge that we have right now are not short-term deficits; it's the long-term obligations that we have around things like Medicare and Social Security. We want to make sure those are there for future generations.

      This is, of course, ridiculous. Everything in politics is an ideological exercise. That's the way it's supposed to be. Paul Ryan's objection to social-welfare programs is entirely ideological; he does not believe that things like Medicare and Social Security are legitimate exercises of the power of government. He wants them eliminated. He wants the ideas behind them defeated, forever. His approach is more tactically nuanced than that of Louie Gohmert -- so is a tackhammer -- but the goals are the same. If one side of these negotiations is utterly ideological, and the other side if ideologically fastidious, on which side would you put your money?

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:33:24 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly! This is the sort of stupid trap (3+ / 0-)
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        that Democrats set for themselves.  There is no equivalence between people who are on the right side and those that are totally wrong.  

        "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

        by noofsh on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 08:18:32 AM PDT

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      •  I didn't hear the President refer to Bernie (0+ / 0-)

        Sanders or Alan Grayson. He didn't bring up either of these gentlemen. You brought them up.  I doubt he would consider Bernie Sanders extreme, after all, Sanders voted for the ACA. There are people who identify themselves as Democrats who wanted the Affordable Care Act killed, all because they feel it didn't go far enough. I would definitely say they are extremist. Your bringing up someone like Bernie Sanders in all of this is doing the Senator an injustice. The President did not, and would not do such a thing.


        •  Then who are Dem extremists? (2+ / 0-)
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          President, as he so often does, specifically referred to extremes of both parties.

          Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

          by RFK Lives on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 10:22:11 AM PDT

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          •  The President would like to pivot toward (1+ / 0-)
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            immigration reform. He will need Republicans as well as Democrats to support him on this. So his rhetorically referring to both sides I believe was just an effort to appear to be even-handed. It does not mean more than that.

            The President is solidly aligned with Democrats, but having just secured a major victory over Republicans he doesn't, I think, feel he needs to keep beating them over the head, especially when 74 percent of the public in latest polls is already beating them over the head. I don't think this was an attempt at attacking Democrats.  As President, he is supposed to be President of the entire nation so this, in my estimation, is strictly an attempt at appearing even-handed.

      •  No, he is not equating Bernie to Ted Cruz (0+ / 0-)

        He is sending a message to the American people.
        It is that "We are all in this together". Never mind that
        the Tea Party will pull another stunt as quick as you can blink. They are being watched.

        He is telling us that ideological stunts are not good governance.We all knew that and now the public knows it too.  He is laying the groundwork for politicians to act responsibly. We already know that the Tea Party is on probation and the country is pissed-off at them. They need to be held accountable. This is the way you do it. Its like putting a choke chain on a bad dog. Sure you could beat the dog with a baseball bat and look like a bully or you can teach it to heal. If it bites, it gets jurked again.

        We need to be the voice of public outrage when they fail to behave. Turning your outrage on Obama is cynical and pointless. It only serves the TPers. We need to be the conscience of good governance.

        In private you can write the White House all  you want to raise objections but in public , I think it would be wise to solidarity in order to hold the misbehaving TPers in check. My 2 cents worth.

    •  I hope Obama was saying that... (4+ / 0-)
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      ...just to sound nice and even-handed.  Where is the equivalent of the teabaggers on the Democratic side of the aisle?  There isn't any!  

      These days, the Democrats themselves are mostly between center-right and right, while the Republicans are mostly between further to the right and to the far right.

      A real, left-of-center Democrat is about as rare as a genuinely moderate Republican.

      (-7.75,-5.64) "Ayn Randism - Even though you don't have much, you can still feel rich, simply by having contempt for the poor."

      by Whirlaway on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:36:05 AM PDT

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