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  •  Imagine (11+ / 0-)

    what would happen if anyone outside of Movement Conservatism behaved as Movement Conservatives do and have.

    On any issue. On any policy.

    Obama raised this point. Many Democrats have.
    Many pundits and pols alike.

    Usually, this gets raised to point out how extreme the Right is. Because everybody knows the Democrats or the liberals would get fucking crucified if they ever did a fraction of what the Right has pulled over the years.

    I raise it for a different reason.

    At some point, shouldn't it be a bigger part of the mission to make sure that Movement Conservatism is unable to get away with things nobody else could and not get crushed in the crib of the crazy pot?

    I think part of that reason is that Conservatism, itself, gets a pass from being attacked and discredited as a failed ideology time and time again. The Crazies come and go. They get elevated and excoriated and ridiculed and endure and endure until they finally become a joke.

    And then Conservatism raises up another disposable replacement freak. Because it can. Because it endures blame free for things it is directly responsible for in our governance, our policies, our laws.

    Conservatism's teflon reign as the magic ideology that never, ever takes the blame for anything it does needs to end. The crazies are disposable. And one of the reasons they are disposable is because Conservatism Cannot Fail, It Can Only Be Failed seems to be a rule even outside of Movement Conservatism's ranks.

    It's not a magic bullet. It's not a cure all. I"m not saying it is.

    But laying the blame squarely on Conservatism for Conservatism's being wrong, being backwards, being the ideology of idiotic and malignant ideas should be a part of every pushback against Rightwing Movement Conservative extremism.

    Louis Gomert is just a dumb bullet.
    Michelle Bachmann is just a dumb bullet.
    Virginia Foxx is just a dumb bullet.
    Allen West is just a dumb bullet.
    Ted Cruz is just a dumb bullet.
    Mike Allen is just a dumb bullet.

    Conservatism is the military industrial complex stamping them out.

    I am a Loco-Foco. I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party.

    by LeftHandedMan on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:55:27 AM PDT

    •  The way to get rid of the Tea Party (12+ / 0-)

      is to not let them win seats in Congress, or in state legislatures.
      Now granted, a state like Kansas may never see a sane legislature or US Representative again, but states like PA, with Pat Toomey? Very achievable.
      Get them out of office and out of power.

      Your beliefs don't make you a better person. Your behavior does.

      by skohayes on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 05:32:58 AM PDT

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    •  it gets a religious exemption from analysis (15+ / 0-)

      you're right, of course. Conservatism is an utterly failed experiment. This is obvious in the fact that it is always claimed by its cheerleaders to have never been tried  when it fails spectacularly. Like say, in Sept 2008 for its economic outcome, or the Iraq quagmire for its neocon wing, etc etc etc.
      But it is simply not OK in America to point this out. It is akin to showing someone that their religion is just gussied up superstition, and should not be engaged in by any functioning adult. That is RUDE, and it violates something Americans really do hold dear; the right to be thickheaded and believe any nonsense that makes them feel good. It's a luxury one can barely afford in a wide open, largely unpopulated continent (sorry about that, native Americans, but Manifest Destiny is One of Those Beliefs, y'know) but it is fatally dangerous in a more crowded world of dwindling resources and decaying climate.
      It is on us to stop giving this courtesy to people whose selfish indulgences are harming everyone. Look;
      1. There were no WMDs in Iraq.
      2. Romney was NOT in the lead at any time in the 2012 election.
      3. Shutting down the government to defund Obamacare was never going to work.

      These are three very important things that the right simply refuses to accept. They have all been denied by RW media sources and politicians alike.

      Those three facts need to be absorbed by all Republicans, teabaggers, and every other Right Winger everywhere. Until that happens, there can be no functional relationship with them, period. It is a prerequiste for any republican who wishes to debate anything with me that they address these three facts before i will engage. If they do not, I dismiss the subject, and i am not terribly polite about it, either. I am done with deference to willful stupidity.

      Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

      by kamarvt on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 05:40:30 AM PDT

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      •  You are quite correct, of course... (4+ / 0-)

           I was thinking the other day that, soon enough, the 2016 races will begin, and we'll be hearing from the usual conservatives that we should elect a conservative, and I want to shout, "Wait! Wait! Remember the last conservative who was POTUS? Remember Junior? He wrecked the whole country, why would we want an encore?"

        Compost for a greener piles?

        by Hoghead99 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 06:30:06 AM PDT

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      •  We are too often applying "conservative" to (4+ / 0-)
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        ideology that is anything but conservative in the dictionary or historical political sense. There are conservative Republicans, mainly former active Republicans, in politics. What is in place is a radical, right wing ideology that, like some parasitic insect eating the host from inside has taken over the Grand Old Party. Of course it was the GOP that willingly ate the contaminated meat containing those parasitic eggs in an effort to regain power.

        I think it helps to keep pointing our that these people are anything but conservative. They are no more that than violent and near violent far leftist radicals bent on destruction are "progressives."

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:30:12 AM PDT

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    •  I realize... (5+ / 0-)

      I realize there's not enough space on the internet to list all of the Gop crazies but Justin Amash from right here in Michigan deserves a special mention.

      I can see Canada from my house. No, really, I can.

      by DuzT on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 05:42:05 AM PDT

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      •  So does Candice Miller in the House. She used (1+ / 0-)
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        to be fairly rational, but once she realized her district is filled with survivalist, gun-worshipping crackpots she abdigated her requirement to lead and became just another mother who tries to correct her children by whining and crying and throwing things louder and wider than the children.

        Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

        by judyms9 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:29:54 AM PDT

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      •  Must say an internet word about our Thomas Massie, (1+ / 0-)
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        the KY-4 Teapube who said on the third day after shuttering the government, that the shutdown was "not a big deal."

        Massie also introduced legislation immediately after the CT school shootings to ban gun-free school zone laws.

        Whom did Massie vote for as house speaker in January?  Why, that would be Justin Amash, his new bff.

    •  LHM, you hit it. The sane people need to keep (2+ / 0-)
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      reminding the wingers that their fake conservatism, what's used by limelight seekers who are messianic, must be repeatedly admonished for their recent snake handling of the economy wherein government workers and the sacred private sector contractors were wrenched from the economy.  The former will even be made whole.  This tactic should be seen for what it is: "Jackass, the Movie XXII."

      Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

      by judyms9 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 07:17:46 AM PDT

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